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It's been said often, and history shows, that before there can be radical change in society, there must first be a collapse of the old order. We are potentially at such a rare moment, when the combination of an historic pandemic and a global economic unravelling has left us contemplating what transformations may lie ahead. We can ask whether the United States will emerge domestically with a better health care system and more equitable economy; with a totalitarian police state; or whether the nation will revert to the status quo ante. But change may not only be afoot at home for the U.S., but also abroad, an abroad dominated by the United States since the end of the Cold War. Hosts Elizabeth Vos and Joe Lauria lead a discussion of the geopolitical ramifications of the Covid-19 crisis with our guests: Journalists Patrick Lawrence and Gareth Porter, and former Australian ambassador Tony Kevin. Multistreaming with https://restream.io/?ref=Dx5Yq