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Dive into the intricate workings of Nepal's bureaucracy and governance with Mr. Trilochan Pokharel, Senior Director of Studies at the Nepal Administrative Staff College. In this episode of the Podspective Podcast by Daayitwa Abhiyaan, we explore a myriad of themes, from the empowerment of women in bureaucracy to the challenges of capacity development and innovation in administrative systems. Join us as we navigate through the complexities of governance, addressing crucial topics such as the capability trap and gap and fostering innovation. Gain invaluable insights from a seasoned expert in the field, as we unravel the layers of Nepal's bureaucratic landscape and discuss pathways towards transformative governance. Time codes: 0:00 - Introduction 1:30 - Welcome guest 1:58 - Who is Trilochan Pokharel and why is he in this world? 3:40 - Why did you choose this difficult journey? 6:11 - I sat for the SLC exam at the age of 14 6:46 - I became a principal of a school at 17 8:13 - I always wanted to work in the education field 11:40 - I joined NASC in 2010 13:22 - What was the most difficult challenge in your journey? How did you face that challenge? 14:31 - What is NASC? 17:44 - There was a conflict between generations but it was a positive space for growth 18:34 - NASC has created a brand with the BAT program 19:27 - How do you recognize your supporters? 21:57 - What are the major challenges within bureaucracy? 22:05 - There should be discourse and discussion on the concept of service. There should be a focus on ‘service’. 24:40 - We can see hope in the newcomers in bureaucracy. 27:28 - Why is there a merit list in the civil service examination? 30:10- Is there a gap in role models available within the bureaucratic system? 30:11 - Lack of role models within bureaucracy 30:24 - There is a situation of mistrust in the system and within the system 31:05 - Is there a capability gap or capability trap? 34:56 - Why aren't we able to see the results of the training at different levels? What are the barriers? 35:30 - We have to be self critical of ourselves 36:14 - The trainings have been designed based on the norm 42: 32 - Do you think the NASC model needs to be changed? 46:14 - Where are we with implementing the “ideal” model? 49:38 - What can be done to build capacity collectively? 51:36 - What kind of collaborative efforts are you currently working on with organizations like Governance lab and Yale 52:40 - PDIA approach 55:20 - Evidence as a mindset- how to encourage the government towards this mindset? 56:57 - Intervention - joint secretaries take training for evidence based policymaking 1:02:02 - How can non-state actors be encouraged? 1:08:07 - Isomorphic mimicry 1:10:10 - How can technology be utilized? 1:14:40 - More than innovating, the government should facilitate innovation that has been done. Example of Esewa 1:15: 28 - The places that the government needs to foster innovation is on creating an enabling environment 1:20:40 - What should we do to have the first female chief secretary in Nepal? 1:25:00 - Men also have to change the way of thinking 1:28:00 - How can the central and subnational governments go in the path of cooperation? 1:28:46 - Our policy discourse is weak 1:31:55 - The federal system is not the problem, the problem is in the process and thus the way we are working in the system needs to change 1:32:40 - If all were to respect and follow the constitution, then the system would work 1:35:00 - Where do you see hope? #nepal #daayitwa #staffcollege #staff #civilservices #psc #loksewa #podspective #nepali #trending #challengenorms #future #feminism