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Podcasting doesn’t fail because of audio quality, gear, or branding. It fails when there’s no clear return on the time invested. In Episode 226 of Test.Optimize.Scale, Jason Fishman sits down with Dr. Jeremy Weisz to break down how podcasting can become a predictable engine for partnerships, referrals, and long-term business growth. Jeremy shares how his background as a chiropractor led him into podcasting, why he never obsessed over downloads, and how focusing on giving first helped him build Rise25 into a scalable business. The conversation covers common mistakes founders make when launching podcasts, how to define ROI beyond vanity metrics, and why quality relationships consistently outperform large audiences in B2B. They also dig into practical systems for follow-up, referral pipelines, social proof, and staying top of mind without constant selling. If you’re thinking about launching a podcast or using content to deepen strategic relationships, this episode lays out a clear, grounded framework. Guest Dr. Jeremy Weisz is the cofounder of Rise25, where he helps professional service entrepreneurs build authority, partnerships, and scalable revenue through podcasting. He is also the host of Inspired Insider and has been featured in Forbes for building multiple businesses. Connect with Jeremy LinkedIn: / drweisz Website: https://rise25.com/