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Professional development is not just about recipes, menus, or software. It is about people. In this episode, Maureen Pisanick sits down with Jake Hastings from Effective Leadership Academy to explore how leadership, mindset, and human connection drive real change in school nutrition programs. They discuss why change feels hard, how growth mindset shifts can empower teams, and why investing in people is just as important as investing in menus. You will hear real stories from schools, insights on professional development that actually works, and why collaboration between culinary training and leadership development creates lasting impact. If you are a school nutrition professional, district leader, or anyone passionate about building stronger teams and healthier school cultures, this conversation is for you. 00:00 Welcome and introduction 00:24 Why professional development must focus on people, not just menus 01:49 Meet Jake Hastings and his background in people-centered leadership 03:24 How Pisanick Partners and Effective Leadership Academy began collaborating 04:38 Cooking and Conversations explained: blending culinary training with leadership 05:21 Why understanding each other as people strengthens school nutrition teams 07:39 Why change feels hard and how leadership shifts the mindset 09:02 Growth mindset versus fixed mindset and the power of “yet” 11:08 Leadership does not have to be lonely 11:57 The iceberg of success and what people do not see 14:14 Collaboration fills the gaps that teams cannot do alone 16:15 How Effective Leadership Academy supports schools on PD days 18:20 Why adult professional development is often transformational 20:19 A powerful school story about empathy, assumptions, and connection 24:00 Why investing in people changes workplace culture 25:21 Fun question: favorite school lunch 26:10 Final thoughts on partnership, purpose, and values 👉 Learn more about Pisanick Partners and our professional development programs - https://www.pisanickpartners.com 👉 Explore leadership training opportunities with Effective Leadership Academy - https://www.effectivela.org