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This week 5 years ago Prime Minister Boris Johnson ordered Britain to lockdown for fear of the Covid 19. For this special episode we take a look back at one some of the conversations The Spectator was having during the pandemic. Cindy Yu spoke to two bioethics professors at the University of Oxford Professor Julian Savulescu and Professor Dominic Wilkinson about why this pandemic was not as bad as it could get, whether some lives should be prioritised over others, and how we can measure Covid's true societal costs. Following that The Spectator's economics editor Michael Simmons & Spectator World's deputy editor Kate Andrews discuss where we are at in 2025, the economic cost of lockdown and whether we'll make the same mistakes again. 00:00 Introduction 01:24 Interview with Cindy Yu, Julian Savulescu and Dominic Wilkinson from the pandemic 03:04 Prioritizing younger vs. older lives. 07:22 Measuring Covid’s true societal cost. 12:10 Future pandemics could be worse. 14:44 Long-term impact on institutions. 16:47 Michael Simmons & Kate Andrews on looking ahead 18:22 Will we learn from Covid mistakes? 19:51 Sweden’s voluntary approach worked better. 22:02 Politicians broke their own rules. 25:12 Economic cost of lockdown policies. #covid19 #lockdown #economy #partygate // SUBSCRIBE TO THE SPECTATOR Get 12 issues for £12, plus a free £20 John Lewis/Waitrose voucher https://www.spectator.co.uk/tvoffer // FREE PODCASTS FROM THE SPECTATOR Hear more from The Spectator's journalists on their podcasts, covering everything from the politics of the UK, US and China, to religion, literature, lifestyle and more. https://www.spectator.co.uk/podcasts/ // FOLLOW US / spectator / officialspectator / the-spectator / spectator1828 / thespectatormagazine