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As most people know I do quite a bit of videoing for my Youtube channel. Posters often ask about the cameras I use and do I use a tripod. ( I don't. ) I have always used Panasonic hand held camcorders for my filming. Their zoom is amazing and their built in Panasonic stabilizer is so good as well. Also for what you are getting, I reckon they are cheap to buy. 3 years ago I bought a new Panasonic HC-W580 HD camcorder. Unfortunately a month ago the memory card jammed in it. I tried to retrieve it but I damaged it beyond repair. For that last few weeks I have been using my old Panasonic HC-V260 model as my backup camera. I asked my internet, 'savy' son if he could get hold of a replacement HC-580. He couldn't locate one but instead, he has come up with a second hand Panasonic HC W850 camcorder, bought off ebay £188. Admittedly this camera is slightly larger, heavier and bulkier than previous models I have used but I can still manage to use it single or double handedly. It has the same super zoom and dual camera. The sound quality has noticeably improved, as regards volume, clarity and reduced wind buffering. I am well pleased and I aim to take better care of it. I reckon I have got a bargain.