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In this conversation, Gordon Brewer and I meet up again on his channel to explore what actually creates movement in narcissistic relationships—especially when traditional approaches like arguing, explaining, or “proving your point” only seem to make things worse. We talk about how shifting away from labels and facts toward moment-to-moment process, containment, and curiosity can de-escalate conflict and open space for real change, whether you’re a partner, a therapist, or someone beginning to recognize these patterns in yourself. If you are interested in a consultation or seeking virtual therapy services, Dr. Mazzella is accepting new patients. Please click here (https://www.drmazzella.com/contact/) for more detailed information. Want to go deeper? Join me in Office Hours — an open space where we explore psychoanalytic ideas together, answer your questions, and connect theory to real life experiences. Reserve your spot here (https://www.drmazzella.com/officehours) Next Meeting: March Contact me Directly with observations, questions or comments: thenarcissismdecoder@gmail.com (mailto:thenarcissismdecoder@gmail.com) You can follow The Narcissism Decoder on: / thenarcissism.decoder / thenarcissismdecoder / @thenarcissismdecoder Dr. Mazzella’s personal website: drmazzella.com