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No, we’re NOT abandoning Federation. We’re taking it to the next level. This week on The Good Thing podcast, Stefan Avram (CCO) and Jens Neuse (CEO) break down how Federation reshapes collaboration, scales developer velocity, and sets the stage for the next era of intelligent systems. From GraphQL to REST, gRPC, and beyond, they explain why a “Federation Layer” is now essential infrastructure for modern engineering teams. We’ll start with the basics: what Federation actually is, what problems it solves, and why it’s central to WunderGraph’s vision, before diving deep into how we’re evolving the model with the Entity Layer and Cosmo Connect. Here’s what you’ll learn: Federation 101: The Big Picture We set the record straight: Federation isn’t dead, it’s just misunderstood. We’ll deep-dive into why Federation remains core to WunderGraph’s roadmap. Expect a brutally honest look at how the shift from monoliths to supergraphs changes how teams build, deploy, and ship software, and why Federation should be about connecting people, not just services. The Entity Layer: The Real Magic Jens explains why this layer is the biggest leap forward since the birth of GraphQL Federation. We unpack how the Entity Layer gives LLMs real business context, why it’s the missing link between human collaboration and machine intelligence, and how it redefines what “federated” even means. Cosmo Connect and the Future of Federation Forget GraphQL-only Federation: the future speaks gRPC. Stefan and Jens dive into why they’re betting big on multi-protocol Federation, and why clinging to GraphQL as the only solution limits innovation. We’ll explore how Cosmo Connect unifies REST, SOAP, and gRPC into one Federated model, and why that’s essential for modern, AI-ready architectures. AI Meets Federation: From Toy Projects to Real Systems Everyone’s talking about LLMs, but few know how to make them production-ready. We’ll break down how Federation gives AI systems context, consistency, and governance, stopping them from becoming just another demo project. Governance from Day One Hot take: Governance isn’t an afterthought. It’s the foundation. Jens and Stefan share how WunderGraph bakes compliance, observability, and reliability into Federation itself, so you can scale fearlessly without sacrificing trust or velocity. Rebuilding Federation from Scratch If we could burn down Federation and rebuild it tomorrow, what would stay, and what would go? The hosts share candid lessons from years in the trenches, what the community gets wrong, and how Federation 2.0 (and beyond) will look when built with people, not protocols, in mind. If you’re building APIs, running microservices, or exploring AI-ready architecture, this isn’t a tutorial. It’s a manifesto for what’s next. Join us in the live chat or in the comments! We’d love to hear: How is your team approaching Federation today? Is GraphQL still central, or are you going multi-protocol? If you’re averse to adopting Federation, why? -- Chapter Markers 00:00:00 Intro + what this episode is about 00:02:52 Why WunderGraph is all-in on Federation 00:05:02 Open specs, competition, and the Composite Schema WG 00:07:47 eBay partnership and real-world Federation problems 00:09:58 Subgraph authorization and “require fetch reasons” directive 00:11:27 Semantic Non-Null and upcoming products 00:14:24 MCP, AI, and Federation as the backbone 00:21:22 What the Entity Layer is and why it matters 00:32:14 Why next-gen Federation speaks gRPC (Cosmo Connect) 00:43:14 Summit reactions: APM templates, operators, connectors 00:49:06 We’re hiring; retreats, meetups, and community plans 00:52:55 AI hype vs API fundamentals: founder perspective 00:57:22 Vertical AI + API design/governance strategy 01:03:11 Closing + what’s next 🎙️ The Good Thing Podcast with Stefan & Jens 📅 New episodes every other week — watch here on YouTube (and LinkedIn) ▶️ Full Podcast Playlist: • The Good Thing | Stefan & Jens 🌐 Visit us: https://wundergraph.com 🤝 Chat with Stefan: https://cal.com/stefan-avram-wundergraph #GraphQL #Federation #APIFederation #EntityLayer #CosmoConnect #WunderGraph #APIDesign #DeveloperExperience #Microservices #APIGateway #DistributedSystems #AIFederation #LLMArchitecture #DeveloperTools #TheGoodThingPodcast #StefanAvram #JensNeuse #GraphQLFederation #BackendEngineering #FutureOfAPIs #GraphQLConf