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In this episode of Behind the Brand, Adam and Bob sit down with Chris Lucas, CEO & CoFounder of Shaker, a modern real estate transaction management platform built to simplify the chaotic world behind buying and selling a home. Chris breaks down how Shaker acts like "Monday or Trello for real estate," helping residential real estate teams streamline deal flow, automate communication, centralize documents, and give clients a clear timeline and portal for every step of the process. Chris shares how Shaker was born out of a frustrated realtor duct-taping multiple tools together, then reshaped and launched out of High Alpha, right in the middle of COVID. He talks candidly about building a startup through wild market swings: from the frenzy of multiple offers over asking, to today's low-transaction environment and legacy competitors just now moving to the cloud. Listeners get a front-row seat to Chris's entrepreneurial journey, from agency life at Blast Media and a decade at Formstack to shutting down one venture days into the pandemic and spinning up Shaker from scratch. He also opens up about his personal story, being adopted from Colombia, growing up in Wisconsin, finding his way to Purdue, and building a blended family and life in Indiana. Chris and the hosts dig into where real estate is headed amid commission lawsuits, high interest rates, and shrinking inventory, and why the most client-focused, process-driven agents will come out ahead. If you care about proptech, SaaS, or just the real story behind a founder who keeps moving forward through uncertainty, this conversation is for you.