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Summary The conversation covers Jay Link's journey from early life to retirement, his transition to nonprofit work, and the development of a theology of fundraising. It also delves into the four foundational cornerstones of kingdom fundraising, the personal transformation journey for fundraisers, and the shift in conversations with donors. The conversation with Jay Link delves into the approach of fundraising as a ministry, emphasizing the importance of building meaningful relationships with donors. It explores the understanding of donors and the joy of giving, the personal growth associated with fundraising, and reflections and advice from Jay Link's experiences. Takeaways Personal transformation is essential for fundraisers before implementing the four foundational cornerstones of kingdom fundraising. The shift in mindset from 'what can you do for us' to 'how can I help you' changes conversations with donors. Approach fundraising as a ministry Focus on building meaningful relationships Chapters 00:00 Changing Conversations with Donors 31:41 Understanding Donors and Giving Joy 39:39 Reflections and Advice