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What if Human Design isn’t complete? Dr. Eleanor Haspel-Portner shares rare insights from her direct work with Ra Uru Hu and explains how the Four Worlds System reveals a fuller, more accurate energetic design. Dr. Eleanor Haspel-Portner joins the Just Follow Joy podcast for a deep conversation on Human Design, its scientific testing, and the evolution that led to the creation of the Four Worlds System. Dr. Eleanor is the founder of Noble Energy Wellness, creator of Noble Energy Wellness Maps, and author of Beyond Human Design: Turbocharge Your Practice With Integrated Channels in All Four Worlds. With a Ph.D. from the University of Chicago, she bridges esoteric wisdom and scientific inquiry to help people understand their full energetic design and live in alignment with their highest potential. Dr. Eleanor personally worked with Ra Uru Hu in the 1990s, contributing to the Dream Rave and the scientific verification of Human Design. Through her research, she discovered which parts of the system held up — and where it was incomplete. This led her to develop the Four Worlds System, a more comprehensive and integrated framework for understanding human design. 🎧 This conversation originally aired on the Just Follow Joy podcast. Explore more from Joy here: 👉 YouTube: / @justfollowjoy 👉 Substack: https://substack.com/@justfollowjoy