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My guest today is Erald Kolasi. EPISODE PAGE + TRANSCRIPT: https://www.realitystudies.co/p/how-t... Please support this podcast by checking out: ProtonVPN: https://go.getproton.me/SH1yt (click here to get 55% off VPN Plus) ZBiotics: https://zbiotics.com/?sca_ref=4926056... (use code: JESSEDAMIANI for 10% off) MUD\WTR: https://mudwtr.pxf.io/Urgent (click link for 43% off starter packs) Mission Farms CBD: https://mission-farms-cbd.sjv.io/Urgent (25% off first order with email signup) 1Password: https://1password.partnerlinks.io/Urg... (free trial at link) PODCAST INFO: Podcast website: https://www.realitystudies.co/podcast Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast... Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4JOs9Ds... RSS: https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast... Full episodes playlist: @UrgentFutures ABOUT ERALD: Erald Kolasi is a writer and independent researcher focusing on the nexus between energy, technology, economics, complex systems, and ecological dynamics. His first book, 'The Physics of Capitalism,' came out from the Monthly Review Press in February 2025. He received his PhD in Physics from George Mason University in 2016. Grab 'The Physics of Capitalism' here: https://amzn.to/4pXwXw4 CONTEXT: This conversation emerged after I posted a note about degrowth—basically arguing that effective degrowth in practice will not be a uniform process; we have to account for historical inequities and the building of off-ramps, which themselves will take time, resources, and yes, fossil fuels. If we want the minerals we need for solar infrastructure, for example, we’re still going to need to mine for them (and do so with some amount of fossil fuels). But degrowth proponents argue that this can be down without the extreme inequity that is currently involved, in which wealthy nations force developing nations to extract these at the cheapest possible rates, leading to unacceptable outcomes like dangerous child labor. Erald saw this and struck up a conversation with me via DM, and I was instantly excited by his vision and clarity of thought. So we agreed to do this live conversation, and it does not disappoint. He maps not only the why of decarbonization, but the how—what are the challenges we face and what are the methods we can adopt in order to ethically surmount them? If this topic matters to you—and I really hope it does, as it’s one of the most urgent global challenges—you’d do worse than to start your learning journey with his insights. CREDITS: This video was produced by Adam Labrie & Jesse Damiani, & edited by Adam LaBrie. More: realitystudies.co. SOCIAL: Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/jessedamiani... Twitter: / jessedamiani LinkedIn: / jessedamiani Instagram (+Threads): / jessedamiani Substack: https://substack.com/@damiani