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In Episode 116, David Glasgow, Executive Director of the New York University Meltzer Center for Diversity, Inclusion, and Belonging, joins Melinda in an enlightening discussion on how to have inclusive conversations about identity in the workplace. They explore key skills for having identity conversations, such as adopting a growth mindset and acknowledging where we are on the controversy scale when we disagree with others' perspectives. They also discuss why it's important to recognize unproductive forms of communication, which David refers to as avoid, deflect, deny, and attack (ADDA). They also touch on how leaders can create an inclusive culture by showing empathy to team members who make mistakes in these conversations. About David Glasgow (he/him) David Glasgow is the executive director of the Meltzer Center for Diversity, Inclusion, and Belonging. He has written for a range of publications including the Harvard Business Review, HuffPost, and Slate, and served as an Associate Director of the Public Interest Law Center at NYU School of Law. He's the co-author of SAY THE RIGHT THING: How to Talk about Identity, Diversity, and Justice (Atria Books). Find Leading With Empathy & Allyship useful? Subscribe to our podcast and like this episode! For more about Empovia (formerly Change Catalyst), visit https://ally.cc. There, you’ll also find educational resources and highlights from this episode. Connect With David Glasgow On Social LinkedIn: / david-glasgow-118b8847 Twitter: / dvglasgow Connect With Us On Social Tiktok: / empovia Instagram: / empovia LinkedIn: / empovia Facebook: / empovia Twitter: / empoviaco Production Team Creator & Host: Melinda Briana Epler Co-Producers: Renzo Santos & Christina Swindlehurst Chan Podcast Rocket: Rob Scheerbarth & Nina Rugeles This videocast is made accessible thanks to Interpreter-Now. Learn more about our show sponsor Interpreter-Now at www.interpreter-now.com.