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In this episode, I speak with psychotherapist, writer, and former Anglican priest Mark Vernon about his new book on William Blake, exploring the visionary poet’s mystical worldview and its profound psychological and spiritual implications. We also delve into Dante's Divine Comedy, reflecting on its enduring power as a map of the soul’s journey, and discuss how both Blake and Dante illuminate the transformative power of the imagination—not as fantasy, but as a means of perceiving truth. 🔗 Mark Vernon's YouTube channel: / @markvernon 🌐 Mark Vernon's website (with links to his books and writings): https://www.markvernon.com You can also purchase Mark's books on Amazon. 00:30- Who was William Blake 03:30 the imagination 05:30 The imagination and consciousness 06:30 Mental Illness and Privatised imagination 07:15 Developing as people with the imagination 09:30 Imagination vs Fantasy 12:00 Iain McGilchrist and Neuroscience 13:00 Neuroimaging and the Brain 16:00 William Blake and Consciousness 18:00 Crisis and Expansion 20:30 Too religious for the Church 23:30 Thirsting for the Divine through William Blake 24:30 Imagining you are a machine 26:25 William Blake and Angels 29:20 Psychodynamics and the porous 30:20 Historical figures who lived with intelligences 33:00 Socrates and Daemon 38:00 Embodied intelligence 39:30 William Blake in the 21st Century 44:30 Imagination and psychotherapy 46:10 Dante and Blake 49:30 Dante on life and life after death 51:20 The Divine Comedy as an inspired text 56:25 Psychologising mysticism 57:20 Jung and the Red Book 1:00:40 How to be in the world 1:04:00 AI and imagination 01:07:00 Dialoguing and Podcasting 01:08:10 Mark Vernon Books