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In this episode of the Genius Talk Podcast, host Atul Raj speaks with Brian Kurtz, a veteran in direct response marketing with over 44 years of experience. Brian shares insights from his extensive career, including the evolution of marketing from direct mail to email and online strategies. He emphasizes the importance of list building, maintaining relationships with subscribers, and the principles of effective marketing. Brian also discusses his book, 'Over Deliver,' and offers valuable advice for marketers looking to enhance their strategies. Takeaways: -Direct mail taught Brian the importance of accountability in marketing. -List segmentation is crucial for effective email marketing. -Building an email list should be a top priority for marketers. -Every interaction with your audience should focus on building relationships. -The creative aspect of marketing becomes vital once the list and offer are established. -Diversification in media is essential for successful marketing. -Trust and reputation are key to maintaining a healthy email list. -Not every email needs to be a sales pitch; relationship building is important. -Assessing your assets regularly can help in list building and marketing strategies. Chapters: 00:00-Introduction to Brian Kurtz and His Journey 06:17-Lessons from Direct Mail Marketing 18:12-Building an Email List in 2026 22:22-The Power of List Building 27:45-Building Relationships Over Transactions 36:13-Engagement and Consistency in Email Marketing 43:37-Email Marketing Insights and Support Connect with Brian Kurtz: briankurtz.net OverdeliverBook.com TheLegendsBook.com