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In this episode, we talk to Miguel de Icaza, Distinguished Engineer about his career building open source software, founding companies, and building communities. 1:10 - What Miguel does at Microsoft 4:15- Miguel's origins in Open Source during college 8:00 - The Birth of GNOME 10:30 - The Birth of Mono 12:45 - Unity and Mono 14:38 - Forming Xamarin 16:51 - Key Career Inflection - Laid off from Novell, saving the team 18:45 - Critical lesson from his first company "it's very difficult to make money selling Open Source software" 19:42 - Deciding when to take VC money 23:50 - How Miguel learned to run a business 26:09 - Key Learning: Learning creativity from "The Art of Possibility" by Benjamin Zander and Rosamund Stone Zander 29:00 - On Miguel's plan to undermine Microsoft :) 29:54 - Building a spreadsheet teaches Miguel how to take on bigger challenges 33:00 - Miguel's coaches, partners, and mentors 34:00 - Miguel on networking and building community and the power of IRC 39:34 - Worst career advice 40:00 - Productivity hacks