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You’ve probably heard of “lab-grown meat,” the sci-fi-sounding idea of 100% real meat made without animals. Yet few people understand how close this vision is to becoming reality—and how much it could change the world. A healthier, more efficient meat source could soon rewire global supply chains and help catalyze a new bioeconomy. Bruce Friedrich is a leading figure in the cultivated meat sector and author of the new book Meat: How the Next Agricultural Revolution Will Transform Humanity's Favorite Food—and Our Future. He joins Jon Bateman on The World Unpacked to share the field’s latest breakthroughs, answer its critics, and map the road ahead. Find the episode transcript and streaming audio, and get the show direct to your inbox, here: https://carnegieendowment.org/podcast... Follow Jon on X: https://x.com/JonKBateman Chapters 00:00 – The Inefficiency Nobody Talks About 00:11 – Eating Meat That Never Lived 00:22 – Costs Down 99.999% (!) 00:45 – “This Is Better Than Chicken” 01:03 – Welcome to the Future of Meat 01:08 – A Nugget Worth Thousands of Dollars 02:12 – $300,000 Burgers & Early Experiments 03:57 – Lab-Grown or Cultivated? 04:58 – Is This Actually Coming Soon? 06:29 – Inside a Cultivated Meat Facility 07:00 – Cleaner, Safer, Antibiotic-Free Meat 09:17 – What Problem Is This Really Solving? 10:07 – A $2 Trillion Opportunity 12:05 – The Paradox of Modern Meat 13:11 – Why Big Meat Is Betting on This 15:08 – Is Cultivated Meat Overhyped? 16:20 – Can This Actually Reach Parity? 19:17 – When “Impossible” Becomes Normal 20:31 – Are We Already Near Cost Parity? 22:20 – Why This Isn’t Crypto 2.0 23:55 – The ‘Frankenfood’ Fear 25:00 – Even the Worst Polling Is Surprising 26:10 – Can It Be Better Than Meat? 27:52 – Beyond Parity: The Endgame 29:50 – Designing New Meats From Scratch 31:22 – “Unicorn Meat” & New Food Frontiers 32:16 – Who’s Winning the Global Race? 34:55 – Food Security Is National Security 36:32 – Why China Is Going All In 38:23 – The US Bioeconomy Question 39:51 – Washington Is Starting to Notice 41:20 – “Fuck Me Chicken” 43:26 – Who Will Actually Eat This? 44:03 – The S-Curve Is Coming 45:16 – A Glimpse of the Future Like and subscribe to our channel: https://bit.ly/38sljlH The Carnegie Endowment for International Peace generates strategic ideas and independent analysis, supports diplomacy, and trains the next generation of international scholar-practitioners to help countries and institutions take on the most difficult global problems and advance peace. Visit our website: https://carnegieendowment.org/ Follow us on X: https://x.com/CarnegieEndow Follow us on Instagram: / carnegieendow