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Get your copy of Gita Wirjawan’s book, “What It Takes: Southeast Asia”, NOW: https://sgpp.me/what-it-takes-yt or get it at Periplus: https://sgpp.me/what-it-takes-periplus ----------------- If Deng Xiaoping were still with us today, how would he navigate the current dynamics between the United States and China? To explore this question and beyond, Endgame invites Victor Gao, who once worked directly with the great man. Victor and Gita exchange many thoughts, all hinging on one central observation: America’s misunderstanding of China’s international posture is both evident and consequential. In this 70-minute conversation, Victor guides us through how the world should truly read China—its history, strategy, and worldview. More in this episode: 00:00 - Intro 01:35 - Experience working with Deng Xiaoping 06:47 - China’s 8000-year history 09:11 - Deng’s geopolitical view 15:20 - “There will be no fair trade without free trade” 21:33 - Will the US ask China’s help to reindustrialize? 28:48 - “Decoupling is a misnomer” 30:57 - US shortsightedness 32:29 - Don’t choose, be a swing state 35:51 - Curing US-China misunderstanding 43:09 - Beijing’s view on America’s tail-wagging wars 53:33 - Is the US shackled by its own system? 57:59 - China has never stopped defending the two-state solution 58:57 - Southeast Asia through China’s eyes #Endgame #GitaWirjawan #VictorGao ----------------- About the Guest: Victor Gao is the Vice President of the Center for China and Globalization (CCG) and Chair Professor at Soochow University. About the Host: Gita Wirjawan is an Indonesian entrepreneur and educator. He is the founding partner of Ikhlas Capital and the chairman of Ancora Group. Currently, he is teaching at Stanford as a visiting scholar with Stanford's Precourt Institute for Energy. ----------------- Other Endgame episodes that you might like: • Why the World Looks Like the World Today? ... • Kishore Mahbubani: The Biggest Mistakes of... • John Mearsheimer: What’s Behind Biden’s Bl... ------------------ Special thanks to our ‘Future Narrators’ channel members: Mariko Yoshihara, Yemotto IBRAHIM, hobi kluyuran, Fajar Prasetyo, Dyah Firgiani, keetkaat, Excel-lent, Arie Gunardi, Yayi Trisnawati D, Teddy Chow, Wwertyssnb, Crispy_Cracker58, Priyanithi Dharsania Negara, Widi Aphrian, hndraable, Muhammad Taufik Evendi, hendro trihatmojo, azam adnani, QunÔºáan Syukrilah, Charles Andrew Tang, Ariyo Arinsa Putra, Reda Bellarbi, Jaz Simbolon, Muhammad Ismail Mubarak, Stefanus B. W., Wahyu Jaka, KATE WOLSKA, pixelcadet, Itje Chodidjah, Elmi CK Ong, Geralt Fajar Bukan, Jack Duan, Lucy March, Abdul Rohman, auliaali05, Anggun Noventina, Irawan Purwono, Krishna Putra, Agnes Pranindita, Darso Arafa, nazaruddin nasir, 747sgw, benget yakub, Patricia S, ferra febrianti, De Guda Kessa, Gusko Adnyana, Gietsea Channel, mjk939, Jerry Budiman, Mawan Darmawan, Muhammad Naufal, diah anggraini, Bambang Haryanto, Ezwan Zakaria, Marilyn C, Kianti Darusman, Revolution R, Joanna FKG, Taswin Munier, Rendy Tandi, M Firaldi Akbar Zulkarnain, Super ‚ÄúBuupy Pub‚Äù Bondon, Ferdy Reza, Elnasdi Moda, Hendry Ahen, Ika Budhyardjo, Aria Widyanto, Ilham R, Meilisva AA Taniel, Haju Ara Podcast, Flores Exotic Tours, Niki S, Maya, Anita Amalia, hardianiati, Dewi Risnawati, birgietta katherine, Derry Harnanda, Aleyandra Rizka Amalia, Hutomo Said, Ridwan Sakidja, Rita Sahara, AraÔºÜTocaBoca, Sanityas Prawatyani, Teddy Sutendi, azah maftukha, Yulia Paramitabosmi, erna girirachman, Alvin Rivaldi, Ronny Wijaya, Reynold Ubra, Muhammad Rizal Akbar, Budianto Wu, ahmad suparlan, Sam K Nugraha, Fauzi Ramadhan, Arif R3 Vibration, FBC Ponto, Stella sinaga, Ramadhan Sahlan ------------------ Thumbnail photo credit: Jan Reinier van der Vliet from Nexus Institute (https://nexus-instituut.nl/person/vic...)