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In this episode hosts Adam Murray, Bryan Nix, and Stuart Saulters sit down with Mike Davin of the National Association of Manufacturers (NAM) to unpack the shared challenges facing American manufacturing — regardless of industry. From food production and steelmaking to semiconductors and data centers, manufacturers across the economy are running into the same obstacles: permitting delays, regulatory uncertainty, and the need for reliable, affordable power. Davin explains how NAM represents manufacturers of all sizes, why permitting reform has become a top priority, and how energy policy, AI-driven data center growth, and workforce constraints are converging to shape the next phase of U.S. manufacturing. The conversation also explores the concept of energy dominance, what manufacturers actually look for in an energy supply, and why predictable policy matters more than political cycles. About Mike Davin Davin is Director, Energy and Resources Policy at the National Association of Manufacturers (NAM), the largest manufacturing association in the United States, representing more than 13 million manufacturing workers and thousands of companies across all industrial sectors. Before joining NAM, Mike served on Capitol Hill, where he worked on energy, environmental, and regulatory policy. At NAM, his portfolio focuses on energy, natural resources, and environmental issues, including permitting reform, grid reliability, and policies that support manufacturing growth while maintaining environmental stewardship. Takeaways NAM focuses on policy, not politics. Manufacturers need reliable, affordable, and resilient energy sources. Permitting reform is essential for manufacturing growth. Trade issues significantly impact manufacturers' operations. The energy landscape is evolving with new technologies. Workforce development is crucial for the manufacturing sector. Collaboration with policymakers is key to addressing challenges. The future of manufacturing looks promising with the right policies. Chapters 00:20 Introduction to NAM and Its Role 05:24 Understanding NAM's Policy Development Process 09:34 Key Concerns for Manufacturers 14:44 Energy Dominance and Its Implications 16:36 The Manufacturing Roadmap to AI and Energy Dominance 21:13 Interplay Between Energy Needs and Manufacturing 23:24 Permitting Challenges and Legislative Solutions 29:22 The Concept of Energy Dominance 33:00 Future Outlook and Closing Thoughts 35:56 Introduction to the Conversation 35:35 The After Show