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Here I speak with two friends who have been instrumental to my therapy (and life) praxis - philosopher & writer, Daniel L. Garner (of O.G. Rose), and ISTDP therapist & trainer, Johannes Kieding (links to their channels below). We explore topics intersecting psychoanalytically-informed therapy, encountering difference, anxiety, and systems that might support the courage to face pain and challenge in the service of relationship and intimacy (not an easy task). We cover a little of Hume, Goethe, Tillich, Leibniz, among others... chapter markers below. [Recorded March 2024. Personal opinions only - no clinical advice included] 00:37 - Early experiences of paradox & irony 04:29 - Hume & philosophy as psychological immune system 08:19 - Psychotherapy, the unconscious, & 'getting clear' 13:56 - David Hume: Is, ought, suchness 19:57 - Pluralism & active participation in reality 25:31 - Concepts as organs of perception vs. blinders 30:27 - Influence of unconscious emotions & psychoanalysis 33:11 - Emotions as potentials for opening up 38:34 - Finding meaning in relationship: the meaning crisis and philosophical melancholia 51:40 - Lack, the apophatic, and self-forgetfulness 01:02:08 - Courage to encounter the unexpected 01:06:54 - Creativity 01:08:12 - Cultural influences vs. psychoanalysis (pleasure principle yielding to reality principle) 01:20:26 - The non-rational and absolute choice 01:21:39 - Thymos and the 'unarmoured test' 01:23:54 - Relationship skills, self-forgetfulness and flow 01:29:40 - Anxiety, comfort, intimacy, & therapy 01:42:07 - War on attention & education systems 01:46:03 - Mental illness, reification, and rigidity 01:53:19 - Process & the medium: effort, pace, investment O.G. Rose: @O.G.Rose.Michelle.and.Daniel og-rose.com Johannes Kieding: @LearningForPsychotherapists johanneskieding.com