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Excommunication of Cody and Leah Young Pt. 3 - Mormon Stories Ep. 1100

Join us now on Mormon Stories Podcast as we interview Leah and Cody Young about their recent excommunication. The backstory: A year and a half ago Leah and Cody began learning about the problems with the LDS church’s truth claims. This launched them and their family into a faith crises, leaving them without support or community. They attempted to obtain support from their Mormon bishop and stake president, but neither were able to help them. A few months later, Cody and Leah started a Facebook support group for questioning and post-Mormons in the Columbus, Ohio area. Within a short amount of time their bishop and then stake president called them in and delivered them an ultimatum: disband the Facebook support group, or face excommunication. Leah and Cody did not feel that they could ethically do this. Both meetings with their stake president were recorded. Later in this process Leah and Cody decided to tell their story on Mormon Stories Podcast, along with their brilliant 15 year old daughter Brinley. A few weeks ago Cody and Leah received a letter informing them of a disciplinary council. Cody and Leah attended their disciplinary council on Sunday April 14th. In this interview we will discuss: – The events that led up to the disciplinary council. – The audio recording of the disciplinary council. – Their reactions to the disciplinary council. --------------- ***We are 100% donor funded! Please click here to donate to keep this content coming!: https://donorbox.org/mormon-stories?d... --------------- Timecodes: 00:00 Start meeting 02:15 Leah and Cody explaining current beliefs 05:46 Plan of salvation 07:15 Restoration of the gospel. Joseph Smith as a prophet. 08:26 Was there a time in your life that you knew the church was true? Feelings as basis for belief 11:29 Having had conditional friends. Feelings of betrayal. 13:00 SP telling he read the compilation of responses from the support group and feels sorry about those and about Leah's and Cody's own experience. 15:00 Leah referencing to talk/open letter by apostle also leading to feeling betrayed 17:15 SP explaining truth is truth and how to come to that knowledge via feelings. 19:17 Leah asking SP and 4th person what they have read about church history etc. 21:44 It's not a productive conversation when you don't have the same facts. 22:26 Cody explaining that he doesn't want that to take away from him 24:50 Others in the ward think Leah and Cody are misled. 26:05 SP asks what's the alternative. 32:02 What do you do when your worldview falls apart? Looking at piece by piece if you can salvage them 36:00 Scientific method not the only way to get knowledge. But evidence that tells other things than feelings counts 38:28 SP explaining his beliefs and assuring he still thinks the Youngs are great people 42:20 Talking about all resources outside the church that are available. Legit facts. Information is not stoppable. 44:11 "Problem is to sponsor a place where this happens" No shame in providing place to discuss facts. No place in church to discuss these. 49:20 Repeating goal of support group is love 50:34 4th person expressing concern that FB group has members who are still visiting church as well as members who are out for years 53:55 Does the church really teach free will? 55:18 Leah asks why is there fear that people join the group, or that people come to their own conclusions. Leads to people 57:00 What's the endgame? SP and 4th person asking Leah and Cody to stop. Cody and Leah don't want to. 59:57 SP and 4th person expressing concern about people being led away from the church, but that's not what happens. 1:02:55 SP watching part of Leah's and Cody's MSP episodes. John Dehlin's status as excommunicated member. 1:05:15 Leah prefers people getting to know her instead of pointing fingers at her. 1:06:03 Cody: guilty as charged. Healthy conversation and organization. No need to fear the support group 1:07:01 What if we don't comply? Calling out it's not a request but an ultimatum 1:08:22 Following Jesus Christ's teaching or the LDS's teaching. Honoring Jesus or the church. Sitting with the sinner. 1:11:10 SP repeating it's a request but also there are consequences. Understands how it can be seen as censorship. 1:13:40 People not believing doctrine aren't members. Consequences of being excommunicated. 1:17:20 Why is there shame? Why do we have to be quiet while members can tell about their beliefs 1:18:26 Cody asking about how an excommunication will affect them. Leah: how is Christ in that? 1:21:10 SP protects doctrine and members. SP now has to be the judge, Christ will be the judge in the end. 1:22:55 Leah and Cody pointing out it's not going to go away. 1:25:16 Leah pointing out that excommunication would enforce the impression FB support group members already have. 1:30:00 SP closing discussion and telling they will have to have a discussion