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Carolline and Marina discuss the concept of trust, focusing on self-trust as a precursor to trusting others. They explore how trust involves believing in one's ability to handle situations and listen to inner signals. They talk about the development of self-trust, particularly how early childhood experiences shape one's ability to trust themselves. Marina shares her experience of trusting her ex-husband too much in their early relationship, which led to greater pain when that trust was betrayed. They explore how people often continue patterns of seeking external validation and decision-making authority, even into adulthood, unless they actively learn to trust themselves in various aspects of life. The conversation highlights how trust in oneself is a learned skill that can be developed over time, though it may require awareness of when one is not trusting themselves. They both share the challenges of low self-trust and overthinking, highlighting how a lack of trust in oneself can lead to seeking external validation and avoiding responsibility. They also explore how this behavior can hinder personal growth and lead to unhealthy situations by ignoring one's intuition and red flags. Marina provides an example of ignoring one's own needs to please others, emphasizing the importance of honoring oneself and trusting one's own judgment. They cover the relationship between trust, boundaries, and intuition. Marina explains that setting boundaries is crucial for self-preservation and honoring one's intuition. They explore the concept of trust, distinguishing between cognitive-based trust (reliability) and emotional-based trust (psychological safety). Carolline, drawing from her experience in safety management, highlights how trust management is essential in uncertain situations, both in professional settings and personal life. They dive into how trust can be influenced by personal experiences, including upbringing and traumatic events, and how it can be both earned and inherently available. They agree that trust is often tested through small actions and behaviors, and that self-trust can impact how one views trust in others. The conversation highlights the complexity of trust and its role in building and maintaining relationships. They explain the challenges of trusting oneself and others in new environments, particularly in the workplace. They explore how initial trust in others can be biased and how new employees might rely too heavily on others' opinions rather than forming their own. Carolline highlights the difficulty of implementing change in workplaces, where people are often resistant to new methods, even when those methods have been successful elsewhere. She emphasizes the importance of creating a "safety zone" for change to occur and acknowledged that change takes time and requires training and adaptation. They emphasize the importance of listening to intuition and making decisions based on personal values and priorities. Carolline highlights the need to assess one's tolerance for situations where personal priorities are misaligned with those of others, leading to the potential for change or leaving a current position. They also discuss indicators of strong self-trust, including belief in one's capabilities and the ability to separate personal worth from external outcomes. Marina mentions that intuition is a quiet, peaceful voice that feels light, while emotions, particularly fear-based ones, are heavy and anxious. Carolline shares an example from her own experience, highlighting the difference between fear mixed with excitement and pure fear that stops you from moving forward. Lastly, they touch on the idea that sometimes the body reacts to situations before the mind does, and it's important to pay attention to these physical cues when making decisions.