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What's the future of decision-making in your organisation? And how far are you willing to push it?
In this engaging episode, host Dave sits down with Carrie Sullivan, a change management expert who has spent two decades helping organisations navigate transformational shifts. Now, as AI reshapes the workplace, Carrie shares her insights on why companies keep making the same mistakes—and what leaders can do differently.
*Key Topics Explored:*
*The Pattern of Failed Adoption*
Why do organisations repeat the same mistakes with AI that they made with ERP and CRM systems? Carrie explains how the human aspects of technology adoption remain fundamentally misunderstood, and why discomfort with psychology and emotions prevents companies from meeting employees where they are.
*The 20% Adoption Ceiling*
Discover why most pilots and innovation initiatives stall when only 15-25% of participants continue using new technology after the first week. Carrie breaks down the psychology behind learning mindsets and reveals how to identify and leverage your organisation's natural early adopters.
*The Middle Management Challenge*
Organisations promote for stability but need transformation. This creates friction when middle managers—wired for structure and process—face pressure to drive AI adoption. Carrie discusses how the pandemic accelerated personal growth at different rates, creating additional complexity in today's workplace.
*Gender Bias in AI Adoption*
A recent MIT study revealed that work produced by women using AI is trusted less than identical work from men. Carrie contextualises this finding within broader workplace biases and discusses how AI might offer opportunities to move past these prejudices.
*The Knowledge Crisis*
As Baby Boomers exit the workforce and younger employees face an erosion of learning opportunities, organisations face a critical knowledge gap. The conversation explores why calling this technology "artificial intelligence" has created dangerous misconceptions about replacing people versus replacing tasks.
*Industry Differences in Adoption*
Not all industries approach AI the same way. Carrie shares fascinating insights from her work across manufacturing, agriculture, insurance, banking, and financial services—revealing surprising patterns about which sectors adapt faster and why.
*EQ Over IQ: The Real Competitive Advantage*
What most people don't understand is that problem-solving ability isn't a function of IQ—it's a function of EQ. Carrie makes a compelling case for why emotional intelligence, developmental psychology, and continuous learning mindsets are the true differentiators in the AI era.
*The Decision-Making Crisis*
Perhaps the most critical question leaders aren't asking: What's the future of decision-making in your organization? As decision-making becomes increasingly distributed and automated, judgment muscles atrophy. Both host and guest share personal experiences of catching themselves abdicating judgment to AI tools—a warning sign for organisations everywhere.
*Practical Strategies Discussed:*
• How to move adoption beyond the 20% ceiling using FOMO and storytelling
• Why prescriptive processes work better than Socratic learning for most employees
• When to automate (the 50-60% adoption threshold) and why judgment fails beyond that point
• The importance of reusable prompts and finding exact use cases
• Teaching human skills that matter in the age of AI: judgment, vision, strategy, and management
This episode challenges the tired notion that "you won't be replaced by AI, but by someone who uses it"—instead offering a more honest assessment of leadership responsibility and individual agency in the age of transformation.
Whether you're a leader struggling with AI adoption, an employee wondering how to remain relevant, or simply curious about the human side of technological change, this conversation offers invaluable insights into navigating the messy reality of organisational transformation.