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In this episode, former Hillsong pastor Carl Lentz and Laura Lentz reveal the listening skills that saved their marriage and transformed their leadership. Discover the shocking difference between hearing vs. listening and master the 5 levels of listening - from distracted to elevated - that can revolutionize every relationship in your life. Carl shares vulnerable stories about parenting failures and how poor listening nearly cost them their daughter's wellbeing, while Laura breaks down practical techniques you can use immediately. This isn't theory - it's battle-tested wisdom from two people who've rebuilt their lives through better listening. Follow Carl at: / carllentz Follow Laura at: / lauralentz Sponsored by BetterHelp https://www.betterhelp.com/lightson for 10% off of your first month. Supported by God Behind Bars https://godbehindbarss.com Supported by Plana https://plana.org/ As always, we appreciate you lights on listeners. ⏱ CHAPTERS 0:00 - Introduction & The Power of Listening vs. Hearing 2:54 - Why Listening is the Most Undertalked Communication Skill 7:47 - How Listening Saved Our Marriage 15:19 - Five Levels of Listening: From Distracted to Elevated 21:12 - Level 1: The Distracted Listener (Lowest Level) 26:15 - Level 2: The Defensive/Judgmental Listener 34:40 - Level 3: The Transactional Listener 38:08 - Level 4: The Empathetic Listener 43:34 - Level 5: The Elevated/Generative Listener (Game Changer) 59:21 - People Become What Your Listening Makes Room For