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Michael Steele speaks with Birmingham Alabama Mayor, Randall Woodfin. The pair discuss the injustice of Trump pardoning January 6th insurrectionists, Mayor Woodfin's journey from grocery bagger to city Mayor, the importance of HBCUs and the kind of leadership needed in the 21st century. Check out Randall Woodfin's book, "Son of Birmingham," here: https://www.amazon.com/Son-Birmingham... If you enjoyed this podcast, be sure to leave a review or share it with a friend! Follow Mayor Randall Goodfin @randallwoodfin Follow Michael Steele @MichaelSteele Follow the podcast @steele_podcast Follow The Bulwark @BulwarkOnline 00:00 Cold Open 0:02:00 Interview Begins 0:04:17 January 6th and Trump's Pardons 0:10:43 Leadership Should Not Be Transactional 0:15:14 The Impact of the Pandemic on Birmingham 0:16:44 What Jumps to Mind When You Think of Birmingham, Alabama? 0:21:33 Shifting Birmingham's Legacy from Violence to Victory 0:23:50 Bagging Groceries Is a Lot Like Running a City 0:28:01 "OutKast Is My Soundtrack to Life" 0:32:50 Why We Need More Historically Black Colleges (HBCUs) 0:37:39 The Pushback of Supporting HBCUs 🔥 Get 30 days of Bulwark+ absolutely free: https://thebulwark.com/freetrial