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We are thrilled to welcome back Dr. Stan Tatkin, a renowned marriage and family therapist, clinician, researcher, and the mind behind the psychobiological approach to couple's therapy. Dr. Tatkin shares invaluable insights from his latest best-selling book, "In Each Other's Care." This discussion dives deep into the essence of maintaining a thriving relationship through collaboration, effective communication, and mutual respect. Key Highlights: The Two-Person System: Dr. Tatkin introduces the revolutionary concept of a two-person psychological system versus a one-person system in relationships. Discover the importance of interdependence and how to navigate the complexities of intimate partnerships with grace and understanding. Fighting Better Together: Learn how to transform conflicts into opportunities for growth. Dr. Tatkin offers strategies for couples to engage in more productive disagreements, emphasizing the power of collaboration over confrontation. Transparency and Honesty: Uncover the pivotal role of openness in a partnership. Dr. Tatkin discusses how honesty and vulnerability can fortify the bond between partners, creating a foundation of trust and mutual support. Prioritizing the Relationship:*Explore the benefits of placing your relationship above individual needs. Dr. Tatkin shares practical advice on establishing agreements that honor the partnership, ensuring that both partners feel valued and understood. Accountability and Self-Awareness: Gain insights into how self-awareness and accountability can prevent misunderstandings and foster a culture of empathy and respect within the relationship. This interview is a must-watch for anyone looking to deepen their understanding of relationship dynamics and learn practical strategies for building a resilient and fulfilling partnership. Whether you're navigating the early stages of a relationship or seeking to strengthen a long-term bond, Dr. Tatkin's expertise offers a roadmap to a more harmonious and loving connection. Don't forget to like, share, and subscribe for more insightful interviews and content on improving your personal and relational well-being. 0:00 Introduction Kyle welcomes Dr. Stan Tatkin, founder of the PACT, and tees up research-backed ways couples can thrive. 0:35 One- vs Two-Person Systems Stan explains self-focused vs interdependent systems; the “three-legged race” for moving in sync. 4:27 Safety & Shared Information Transparency as security. Couples as co-executives who must share updates. 8:57 Do the Hard Thing Now Stan and Kyle explore how doing the difficult, right thing in the present makes life easier later and how avoiding hard conversations creates chaos down the road. 10:21 Shared Vision and Mythology Without it, couples drift into disorganization and conflict. 13:31 Unskilled Interactions Stan explains why stress turns partners adversarial and how secure functioning requires emotional skill and discipline. 15:18 Become Experts on Each Other How partners can treat each other with the same care and attunement they would a child or teammate. 18:27 Family Scripts & Growing Up Notice old patterns; tolerate pain and difference to rise above instinct. 20:23 Relationship First Stan introduces principles and guardrails, values that keep the partnership aligned during hard moments. 26:11 Deal Breakers Now, Not Later Stan illustrates this through examples of unspoken incompatibilities that erode trust. 27:18 Consensus & Win-Win How secure couples negotiate like allies, ensuring neither partner loses. 30:34 Fighting Fair Stan compares a healthy couple to a democracy: hard, but sustainable. 35:14 Stress & Neurobiology Understanding the brain’s stress response helps couples stay connected in conflict. 38:12 Work the Problem, Not Each Other A key relational skill: address the issue, not your partner. Stan shares tactical language for reassurance, repair, and keeping conflicts solution-focused. 41:02 Moral Bargaining This kind of bargaining keeps the relationship sacred, more important than being right. 43:58 The Cost of Self-Protection Why adversarial dynamics are “relational suicide.” Stan emphasizes that self-protection destroys the very alliance meant to keep partners safe. 46:09 Attachment’s Grip Understanding how our attachment system can trap us in unhealthy relationships and how to face existential fears to uphold shared principles. 49:03 No Perfect Relationship There’s no such thing as a “healthy relationship,” only systems that work or don’t. Stan reframes relational success as tactical teamwork, not emotional perfection. 50:13 Closing: Secure Functioning Kyle closes with reflections on applying Stan’s model in therapy and real life. Stan underscores the reward: doing the hard, right thing together creates a thriving, resilient love.