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Dive into the world of secure functioning relationships with Dr. Stan Tatkin, a leading expert in the field of couples therapy and the pioneering mind behind the Psychobiological Approach to Couples Therapy (PACT). In this interview, Dr. Tatkin shares his profound insights on creating and nurturing secure-functioning relationships, navigating the complex dynamics of attachment styles, and fostering mutual growth and happiness in partnerships. 🔹 Key Highlights: Understanding Secure Operating Relationships: Discover the foundation of secure-functioning relationships and how they can transform your partnership. The Anxious-Avoidant Dynamic: Unravel the complexities of anxious and avoidant attachment styles, and learn strategies to bridge the emotional gap between partners. The Path to Secure Functioning: Gain practical advice and actionable steps to cultivate a relationship where both partners thrive, based on fairness, justice, and mutual collaboration. Whether you're in a relationship characterized by the anxious-avoidant trap or simply looking to deepen your connection with your partner, this interview is packed with valuable insights and advice. Dr. Tatkin's approachable and insightful discussion sheds light on the importance of creating a culture of teamwork within a relationship, emphasizing the benefits of reduced interpersonal stress, increased happiness, and the promotion of personal and collective growth. 📚 *Books Mentioned:* In Each Other's Care: https://amzn.to/43woS7L Wired for Love: https://amzn.to/43yFSdF Don't miss this opportunity to learn from one of the foremost experts in the field of couples therapy. Subscribe to our channel for more interviews, tips, and guides on creating fulfilling and lasting relationships. Share your thoughts and experiences in the comments below. 0:00 Welcome + Why Secure Functioning Matters Who Dr. Stan Tatkin is and why secure functioning (not just “secure attachment”) is the foundation for adult love. 1:07 Defining Secure Functioning (The Two-Person System) A “we/us” team built on fairness and justice that lowers threat and stress to unlock health, creativity, and happiness. 3:26 Where Couples Get Stuck (Waves & Islands Primer) How early family cultures shape unfairness, sensitivity, and the one-person mindset partners bring into love. 4:58 Injustice, Anger, and the Work of Grieving Why ungrieved losses fuel lifelong anger and how accepting limits frees us to grow and connect. 9:03 Inside the Island (Avoidant) Experience “I don’t need much” illusions, conflict avoidance, passive compliance, and the flight to autonomy. 13:03 Growth Edge for Islands: Self-Activation & Boundaries Moving from pain-avoidance to reality-based choice; saying no, staying present, and turning against distancing defenses. 16:22 Inside the Wave (Anxious) Experience Ambivalence, overfocus on the other, breadcrumb dynamics, and why “relational” isn’t the same as two-person thinking. 19:22 The One-Person Trap (For Both Styles) How both Waves and Islands prioritize self-protection over partnership, often without realizing it. 22:15 Why We Trigger Each Other (Memory & Reflexes) The human default: energy-saving, threat-driven reactions that amplify each other’s old injuries. 24:52 Shared Purpose Beats Civil War Teams win when a common mission flattens differences; without one, couples “work on each other,” not the problem. 26:10 Plan for Your Devils: Structure that Protects Build a culture that anticipates threat, enforces fairness, and prevents friendly-fire in the foxhole. 28:26 Architecting the Relationship (Dream → Agreements) Align the shared mythology: Why are we? What do we fear? What will we protect together? 31:44 Love Isn’t Enough: Relational Ethics From impulse to integrity: do the right thing when it’s hardest; create win-wins instead of win-lose. 34:30 “We’re Only as Safe as Our Agreements” Entitlement vs. consent; why explicit, enforceable deals (not moods) create security. 37:04 Do the Hard Work Now, Feel Safe Later The survival logic of collaboration: show up when you don’t feel like it so the system stays secure. 38:15 Pro-Self and Pro-Social at the Same Time Tightrope partners: protect your interests while treating your partner as an ally, never an adversary. 41:13 Stress, Health, and the Cost of Disconnection Allostatic load, entropy, and why a “jungle at home” drains the very resources you need to thrive. 42:18 The Couple Bubble in Practice From predators to pack: “You’ve got my back, I’ve got yours,” everywhere we go. 43:02 The Payoff: Sublime Teamwork The felt sense of safety, permission to grow, and how partners help each other reach the bar they set. 45:06 Closing + Updated Wired for Love (2nd Ed.) Stan on inclusive updates, added chapters, and keeping the model current with how people actually love today.