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In this special episode of Life of a CISO, I sit down with the brilliant Jane Frankland, MBE—an internationally recognized thought leader in cybersecurity with over 28 years of experience. Jane shares her unexpected journey into the field, starting not from a tech background but from art and design. Her curiosity and drive led her to co-found one of the earliest penetration testing consultancies, long before the term "cybersecurity" became mainstream. Together, we dive into how the industry has evolved, why penetration testing has become commoditized, and why it's no longer enough to offer just technical solutions—true value now comes from insight, strategy, and resilience. Jane also offers powerful reflections on the burnout many CISOs face today and why so many are leaving traditional roles to launch their own consultancies or step into virtual CISO models. We discuss what it really means to build a business in today’s climate, the importance of defining your unique value, and why small businesses are an underrated opportunity in the cyber space. From vendor strategy to shifting away from limiting beliefs, Jane brings a fresh, honest, and empowering perspective that challenges the status quo. Whether you're building your career or launching your own venture, this episode is full of clarity and inspiration for the next step in your cyber journey. 🔑 [CISO CERTIFICATION] Discover How You Can Advance Your Career Through Cybersecurity https://secure-anchor.com/ciso-certif... Let's connect: Instagram: / drericcole Business Instagram: / secureanchor LinkedIn: / ericcole1 Twitter : / drericcole Show Notes: 1:00 - Introduction to the Episode & Guest 3:00 - Pen Testing Today: Viable or Commoditized? 5:00 - Career Shifts for Burned-Out CISOs 7:00 - Vendor Agnosticism vs. VAR Strategy 9:00 - Working with Startups & Local Market Penetration 13:00 - Lessons from Her Early Consultancy Days 15:00 - Why Organic Growth vs. VC Funding 17:00 - Eric Cole’s Jeff Bezos Story & VC Regret 24:00 - Sales as Helping, Not Selling 28:00 - AI Experience and Evolution About Dr. Eric Cole Eric Cole, DPS., is an industry-recognized security expert with over 20 years of hands-on experience in consulting, training, and public speaking. As the founder and CEO of Secure Anchor Consulting, Dr. Cole focuses on helping customers prevent security breaches, detect network intrusions, and respond to advanced threats. In addition, he is a sought-after expert witness and a 2014 inductee to the Info Security Hall of Fame. #WorldClassCISO #LifeOfACiso #LifeLessons #Lessons #CyberSecurity #InfoSec #CyberAware #DataProtection #Privacy #CyberThreats #ITSecurity #OnlineSafety #Hacking #DigitalSecurity #Trust #Identity #Personaltransformation #Mindset #CISO #CV #Challenge #CISOChallenge #LimitingBeliefs #Teamwork #growth #health #PodcastLife #PodcastJunkie #Podcasting #newpodcastalert #data #datahandling #alignment #evangelist #cyberattack #secret #respect #balancinglife #riskmanagement #cisocertification #phishing #malware #cybersecuritysolutions #cybersecuritytraining #cybersecuritynews #newyearsresolution #office #askingyourselfquestions #ciso #selfawareness #drericcole #cisopodcast #CISOLife #CybersecurityLeadership #InformationSecurity #CyberDefense #LeadershipInTech