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What happens when everything you own disappears overnight—and you still have to lead? In this episode of Second Life Leader, Doug Utberg sits down with entrepreneur and martial arts instructor Gary Engels to unpack what real resilience looks like when loss is total and irreversible. After losing his home and all possessions in a house fire while raising three young children, Gary was forced to rebuild from zero—financially, emotionally, and operationally. This conversation isn’t about motivation or positivity. It’s about designing a life and career that don’t collapse under stress. Doug and Gary explore how catastrophe reshapes views on money, risk, and identity; why low burn rates create more freedom than high incomes; and how the gig economy has quietly become a resilience layer for millions of workers. They examine the illusion of security in “safe” careers, the hidden cost of possessions, and why preparedness—financial and psychological—is a leadership skill, not paranoia. This is a sober, practical conversation about optionality, fragility, and staying functional when plans break. Key Takeaways Total loss clarifies priorities faster than success Low burn rates create more options than chasing income Gig work can be distributed resilience, not instability Independence starts with expense control, not growth Possessions add hidden mental and financial cost Most security structures are more fragile than people realize Leadership is preparedness, not bravado You either win or you learn—but you must stay in the fight Memorable Quotes “I’d rather be a warrior in a garden than a gardener in a war.” “Everything you own becomes a job.” “Most people don’t lose because they fail—they lose because they’re unprepared.” “Freedom comes from lowering the rock before trying to lift it.” “It doesn’t matter what happens to you. What matters is what you do next.” Guest Gary Engels — Entrepreneur, CEO, and martial arts instructor CEO of MyGig, helping independent workers and businesses access professional-grade services without corporate dependency. Veteran founder across brick-and-mortar, marketing, corporate networks, and gig economy platforms. Why This Episode Matters The modern economy doesn’t reward stability—it punishes fragility. Jobs vanish. Markets shift. Systems fail. This episode reframes resilience as a design problem, not a mindset. For founders, operators, and leaders navigating volatility, this conversation offers a practical lens on how to build systems—and lives—that recover fast without sacrificing family, health, or identity. #SecondLifeLeader #LeadershipPodcast #EntrepreneurshipPodcast #Resilience #LeadershipLessons #EntrepreneurLife #RebuildingAfterFailure #BusinessLeadership #FounderStories #MentalToughness #HighPerformanceLeadership #RiskManagement #PersonalReinvention #BuildingResilience #BusinessMindset #CareerResilience #Optionality #ModernLeadership #LifeAfterLoss #StrategicThinking