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What happens when traditional hiring fails—and you decide to build talent instead? In this episode of The Spotlight Podcast, host Tim Branyan sits down with seasoned entrepreneur and educator Ron Brumbarger to unpack decades of experience building companies, developing people, and rethinking how we educate and train the workforce. From founding and exiting a successful tech firm to launching Apprenticeship University, Ron shares why curiosity, critical thinking, and hands-on learning matter more than résumés—and how entrepreneurs can solve talent gaps by designing better systems. This conversation is packed with real-world lessons on entrepreneurship, innovation, leadership, and why giving knowledge away is the ultimate growth strategy. 🎧 If you’re an entrepreneur, leader, educator, or someone questioning the traditional path—this episode is for you. ⏱️ Timestamps (Podcast length: 69:50) 00:00 – Intro & welcome to The Spotlight Podcast 02:10 – Meet Ron Brumbarger & his entrepreneurial background 06:45 – Building and selling a tech company (Bitwise Solutions) 11:30 – Why hiring talent kept failing 16:20 – Walking away from $1M in business 19:40 – Why Ron started Apprenticeship University 26:10 – Why learning by doing beats lectures 32:00 – The real skills businesses can’t find 38:15 – Innovation, curiosity, and problem-finding 44:30 – Why brainstorming usually fails 50:10 – Fear, belief, and getting in the game 55:40 – Trust, empathy, and active listening in leadership 61:20 – Giving knowledge away to build authority 66:30 – Final thoughts on success, fulfillment, and relationships 🔗 Links & Resources Ron Brumbarger 📱 Phone: (317)-490-4376 📧 Email: ron@brumbarger.com 🔗 LinkedIn: / in Tim Branyan 🔗 LinkedIn: / timbranyan Featured Organizations 🌱 Struinova: https://struinova.com/ 🏢 Indiana Small Business Development Center (ISBDC): https://isbdc.org/ 🎥 Vision StudioWhy Hiring Is Broken (And What Actually Works): https://www.bookvisionstudio.com/ #Entrepreneurship #Leadership #Innovation #Apprenticeship #BusinessPodcast #Startups #Hiring #WorkforceDevelopment #TheSpotlightPodcast #VisionStudio