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This discussion explores diverse strategies for achieving individual and economic liberty within modern states through different perspectives. Jan Betram details the Free Cities Foundation's mission to negotiate autonomous legislative frameworks with national governments, allowing specific regions to operate under their own rules for taxation, migration, and policing. Conversely, Marcin Chmielowski describes a more internal approach by protecting entrepreneurs from within the state through his role in a Polish government office that ensures bureaucratic compliance with pro-business laws. The dialogue highlights a shared goal of escaping statist restrictions, whether through the physical or virtual relocation of businesses to more favourable jurisdictions or by actively mitigating regulatory harm from inside the system. -- 🗽 Liberty International is an association of individuals and organizations dedicated to building a free and peaceful world, respect for individual rights and liberties, and an open and competitive economic system based on voluntary exchange and free trade. LI currently has members and representatives in over 100 countries. 🤝 Members and affiliated organizations pursue our goals through independent action, using their own freely-chosen strategies. The association exists to promote the exchange of information and ideas, to study diverse strategies, and to foster fellowship. ✅ If you believe in the same values, support us! Join the movement https://liberty-intl.org/donate 🌍 LI is building networks, organizations, and grassroots educational outreach around the world via our "Johnny Appleseed" strategy, including: Print and Internet liberty publications Sponsoring book translations in dozens of languages Sponsoring overseas youth-oriented Liberty Camps Organizing international conferences