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Get 20% off any STSI course with code SIMPLE20 — start building your mental fitness today! In this Think It Through episode, Drs. Derek and Laura Cabrera of Cornell University tackle a deceptively hard question: what do you do when someone is overwhelmed, talking a mile a minute, and stuck inside their own thoughts and emotions? Rather than offering advice or arguing content, they show how to slow a conversation down and help someone actually see their mental model. Using a realistic leadership example about a frustrated manager whose team isn’t meeting KPIs, they walk step-by-step through how systems thinkers uncover hidden structure using distinctions, part–whole thinking, relationships, perspectives, and zooming. Along the way, they reveal why frustration is usually aimed at the wrong thing, how leaders mistakenly place themselves outside the system they’re part of, and why reacting emotionally never improves understanding. By externalizing the mental model—onto paper, objects, or a map—the problem shifts from blaming people to understanding the system. This episode is a practical masterclass in real-time sense-making. If you want to help others think more clearly without controlling, fixing, or lecturing them, this episode shows you exactly how to do it. Welcome to The Cabrera Lab Podcast! Hosted by Drs. Derek and Laura Cabrera from Cornell University, this podcast is your gateway to unlocking the science of thinking. At Cabrera Lab, our goal is Human Readiness—preparing individuals to face any challenge, seize opportunities, navigate complexity, and adapt and thrive in a rapidly changing world. Each episode dives into science-tested strategies for improving higher-order thinking and social-emotional skills. Learn how to solve real-world problems and build resilience using systems thinking—the proven approach we’ve been pioneering for over 30 years. Backed by the National Science Foundation, we’re bringing cutting-edge insights and practical tools to help you transform your thinking and change your life. Subscribe now to join the movement, because things change when thinking changes. Learn more at www.stsi.pro