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In this episode, Brad Hibbert (COO & Chief Strategy Officer at Brinqa) joins Ashish to explain why traditional risk-based vulnerability management (RBVM) is no longer enough in a cloud-first world . We explore the evolution from simple patch management to Exposure Management a holistic approach that sits above your security tools to connect infrastructure, code, and cloud risks to actual business impact . Brad breaks down the critical difference between a "Risk Owner" (the service owner) and a "Remediation Owner" (the team fixing the bug) and why this distinction solves the "who fixes this?" problem . This conversation covers practical steps to uplift your VM program, how AI is helping prioritize the noise , and why compliance often just "proves activity" rather than reducing real risk . Whether you're drowning in Jira tickets or trying to automate remediation, this episode provides a roadmap for modernizing your security posture Questions asked: 00:00 Introduction 02:50 Who is Brad Hibbert? (Brinqa) 04:55 The Evolution: From Scanning Servers to Cloud Complexity 06:50 What is Risk-Based Vulnerability Management? 08:50 Risk Owners vs. Remediation Owners: Who Fixes What? 12:00 How AI is Changing Vulnerability Management 15:20 Defining Exposure Management: Moving Beyond the Tools 18:30 The Challenge of "Data Inconsistency" Between Tools 22:30 Readiness Check: Are You Ready for Exposure Management? 25:10 Automated Remediation: Is "Zero Tickets" Possible? 28:40 Compliance vs. Risk: Why "Activity" isn't "Impact" 31:30 Maturity Milestones for Exposure Management 36:50 Fun Questions: Golf, Turkish Kebabs & Friendships -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 📱Cloud Security Podcast Social Media📱 _____________________________________ 🛜 Website: https://cloudsecuritypodcast.tv/ 🧑🏾💻 Cloud Security Bootcamp - https://www.cloudsecuritybootcamp.com/ ✉️ Cloud Security Newsletter - https://www.cloudsecuritynewsletter.com/ Twitter: / cloudsecpod LinkedIn: / cloud-security-podcast #cloudsecurity