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Thinking of building your own AI security tool? In this episode, Santiago Castiñeira, CTO of Maze, breaks down the realities of the "Build vs. Buy" debate for AI-first vulnerability management. While building a prototype script is easy, scaling it into a maintainable, audit-proof system is a massive undertaking requiring specialized skills often missing in security teams. The "RAG drug" relies too heavily on Retrieval-Augmented Generation for precise technical data like version numbers, which often fails . The conversation gets into the architecture required for a true AI-first system, moving beyond simple chatbots to complex multi-agent workflows that can reason about context and risk . We also cover the critical importance of rigorous "evals" over "vibe checks" to ensure AI reliability, the hidden costs of LLM inference at scale, and why well-crafted agents might soon be indistinguishable from super-intelligence . Questions asked: 00:00 Introduction 02:00 Who is Santiago Castiñeira? 02:40 What is "AI-First" Vulnerability Management? (Rules vs. Reasoning) 04:55 The "Build vs. Buy" Debate: Can I Just Use ChatGPT? 07:30 The "Bus Factor" Risk of Internal Tools 08:30 Why MCP (Model Context Protocol) Struggles at Scale 10:15 The Architecture of an AI-First Security System 13:45 The Problem with "Vibe Checks": Why You Need Proper Evals 17:20 Where to Start if You Must Build Internally 19:00 The Hidden Need for Data & Software Engineers in Security Teams 21:50 Managing Prompt Drift and Consistency 27:30 The Challenge of Changing LLM Models (Claude vs. Gemini) 30:20 Rethinking Vulnerability Management Metrics in the AI Era 33:30 Surprises in AI Agent Behavior: "Let's Get Back on Topic" 35:30 The Hidden Cost of AI: Token Usage at Scale 37:15 Multi-Agent Governance: Preventing Rogue Agents 41:15 The Future: Semi-Autonomous Security Fleets 45:30 Why RAG Fails for Precise Technical Data (The "RAG Drug") 47:30 How to Evaluate AI Vendors: Is it AI-First or AI-Sprinkled? 50:20 Common Architectural Mistakes: Vibe Evals & Cost Ignorance 56:00 Unpopular Opinion: Well-Crafted Agents vs. Super Intelligence 58:15 Final Questions: Kids, Argentine Steak, and Closing -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 📱Cloud Security Podcast Social Media📱 _____________________________________ 🛜 Website: https://cloudsecuritypodcast.tv/ 🧑🏾💻 Cloud Security Bootcamp - https://www.cloudsecuritybootcamp.com/ ✉️ Cloud Security Newsletter - https://www.cloudsecuritynewsletter.com/ Twitter: / cloudsecpod LinkedIn: / cloud-security-podcast #cloudsecurity