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In this episode, Azeem Chaudhary sits down with Senator Siraj ul Haq, the former Ameer of Jamaat-e-Islami, to discuss his journey and the current political landscape of Pakistan. Siraj ul Haq reflects on his belief that despite the geographical split between Pakistan and Bangladesh, the ideology and spirit of the Two-Nation Theory remains alive and relevant. In a candid conversation, Siraj addresses the complex reasons behind why Jamaat-e-Islami, despite its unparalleled contributions to human services, education, and governance, has struggled to secure votes in Pakistan. He contrasts this with Pakistan’s corrupt political elite, stating that a handful of families have dominated the country's political landscape for decades. He recalls how Asif Ali Zardari admitted that only multi-millionaires receive election tickets in Pakistan, while Jamaat-e-Islami grants tickets based on merit, financing credible candidates rather than demanding funds from them. Siraj ul Haq shares personal insights into his political journey, which he humbly finds unbelievable—from becoming Nazim-e-Ala of Islami Jamiat Talaba three times, to serving as a member of the KPK Assembly and as the Finance Minister of the province, to being elected twice as the Ameer of Jamaat-e-Islami. He proudly recounts how Jamaat-e-Islami supports over 28,000 orphans, establishes hospitals, and serves communities across Pakistan through the self-sustained funding of the party. In closing, Siraj expresses hope that Pakistan and Bangladesh will once again find themselves aligned ideologically, and he remains committed to the betterment of the nation. Chapters: 0:00 Intro 1:43 How did you get Elected? 6:26 Driven by Fear of God or a Sense of Responsibility? 7:05 What Was More Challenging: Leading Students or Leading Jamaat-e-Islami? 8:25 How Many Times Did You Face Imprisonment as a Student Leader and Why? 8:58 After Stepping Down as Ameer, What Now Occupies Your Time? 10:08 What Are the Goals, Objectives, and Aims of Jamaat-e-Islami? 10:56 Do You Guide People for the Hereafter or Focus Solely on This World? 12:49 How Do You Distinguish Between Good and Bad in What You Highlight? 18:26 Is Jamaat-e-Islami a Religious Party or Merely a Political Party? 20:06 Why Do the Children of Syed Abul A'la Maududi Have Differences with Jamaat-e-Islami's Leadership? 21:33 As a Senator, Are You Satisfied with Pakistan's Political System? 22:30 NFC Award & Provincial Autonomy 27:42 Why Didn't Philanthropic Efforts Translate into Electoral Success? 32:49 Is It True That Jamaat-e-Islami Provides Funding for All Its Candidates? 34:26 Approximately How Much Does the Party Allocate for Charitable Activities? 35:09 Do You Believe the Current Government Can Fulfill Its Promises? 39:46 Relationship with Javed Hashmi 42:36 Relationship with Benazir Bhutto & Prison/Jail Reforms in KPK 45:56 Relationship Between Pakistan and Afghanistan 47:15 Why Has Pakistan Not Extended Support to Hamas? 50:39 Has Jamaat-e-Islami Abandoned Its Stance on Kashmir as well? 51:25 Jamaat-e-Islami and Its Role in Bangladesh 54:52 Outro