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In this insightful episode, Julie Dirksen, Learning Strategy Consultant at Usable Learning and author of the bestselling instructional design books, ‘Design for How People Learn’ and ‘Talk to the Elephant: Design Learning for Behavior Change,’ joins Nolan Hout, Senior Vice President of Growth at @InfoproLearningInc , to explore how behavioral science shapes effective instructional design. They explore the critical stages of diagnosing performance problems, aligning learning strategy with business objectives, and integrating emerging technologies such as Artificial Intelligence (AI) without compromising instructional integrity. The conversation also explores cognitive load, learner motivation, and the future of instructional design in a rapidly evolving digital environment. Takeaways • Identify the real performance problem before designing any training intervention. • Move beyond being an “order taker, and focus on solving business challenges, not just delivering content. • Recognize when performance issues stem from misaligned systems, incentives, or processes. • Build trusted relationships with stakeholders to become a strategic learning partner. • Use behavioral science to drive lasting engagement, motivation, and habit formation. • Integrate AI thoughtfully to enhance design efficiency while maintaining human oversight and control. • Create contextual and meaningful learning experiences that improve knowledge transfer. • Simplify complex content to reduce cognitive load and promote better retention. • Inspire curiosity and self-directed learning to sustain growth beyond formal training. Chapters 00:00 Introduction 01:03 Julie’s Journey into Learning and Development 03:32 Diagnosing Real Learning Problems 08:00 Building Trust and Partnering with Stakeholders 12:55 Matching Design Strategy to Problem Complexity 16:07 The Role of AI in Learning and Application 20:13 Expertise vs. Overreliance on AI 26:21 Foundational Knowledge and Memorization in Learning 40:06 Sparking Curiosity and Motivation to Learn 42:52 The Four Gaps: Knowledge, Skills, Habits, and Motivation 43:55 Behavioral Science and Real-World Applications 51:21 Closing Thoughts Connect with Nolan Hout on LinkedIn: / nolanhout Connect with Julie Dirksen on LinkedIn: / juliedirksen Visit Infopro Learning: https://www.infoprolearning.com Visit Usable Learning: https://usablelearning.com/ #infoprolearning #unlockpotential #infoprolearninganddevelopmentpodcast #infoprolndpodcast #learninganddevelopment #podcast #instructionaldesign #juliedirksen #learningpodcast #elearning #behavioralscience #aiinlearning #workplacelearning #trainingdesign #ldcommunity #learningdesign #design