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Stephen James (Neuracore CEO & Imperial College Professor) sat down with Jarad Cannon (CTO, Humanoid) for an unfiltered conversation about where robotics actually stands today and where it's heading. Stephen leads Neuracore, a cloud-native platform built to remove the infrastructure bottlenecks holding back robot learning at scale. He previously built the Dyson Robot Learning Lab and leads the Safe Whole-body Intelligent Robotics Lab at Imperial College London. Jarad brings over a decade of experience shipping real robots from iRobot's Roomba to scaling Brain Corp from prototypes to 40,000+ deployed commercial robots. Now at Humanoid, he's pushing the boundaries of next-generation manipulation and humanoid systems. Recorded live at the "Robotics: Behind the Curtain" event in London (December 19, 2025), hosted by 50Y UK and powered by ARIA. Chapters: 00:00:00 - Introduction and Speaker Backgrounds 00:04:13 - The Data Challenge in Robotics 00:07:04 - Real-World Data vs Simulation: What Actually Works 00:14:05 - Why Simulation Works for Locomotion But Not Manipulation 00:20:28 - Comparing Robotics to Autonomous Vehicles 00:22:13 - Timeline: When Will Humanoid Demos Become Products? 00:25:45 - Tesla and the Competition Landscape 00:26:44 - Chinese Robotics Companies: Hardware Advantages and Geopolitics 00:29:42 - Building Your Own Models vs Using Open Source 00:33:50 - Wheeled vs Bipedal Form Factors: The Commercialization Path 00:36:08 - Neuracore's Platform and Community Model 00:38:47 - The Future of Reinforcement Learning in Robotics 00:42:08 - Q&A: Teleoperation as a Business Model 00:45:51 - World Models: The Next Frontier? 00:47:50 - Reinforcement Learning and Human Feedback 00:49:10 - Security Concerns: Protecting Against Robot Hacking 00:54:12 - Validating AI Systems in Safety-Critical Applications 00:57:23 - The Challenge of Training on Failure Cases 00:58:30 - Are VLAs Overfitting? What Research Is Missing? 01:03:35 - Closing Remarks Learn more about Neuracore: https://www.neuracore.app/ Hosted by 50Y UK: https://www.fiftyyears.com/5050 Powered by ARIA: https://www.aria.org.uk Learn more about ARIA's £57M Robot Dexterity Programme: https://www.aria.org.uk/opportunity-s... #robotics #humanoidrobots #robotlearning #AI #machinelearning #reinforcementlearning #roboticengineering #humanoids #manipulation #foundationmodels