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What if I told you that business, not government or nonprofits, has the greatest potential to change the world? And what if the secret to unlocking that power is not in working harder but in becoming more alive? In this episode of Spirituality in Leadership, host Andrew Cohn sits down with Kirk Souder, a seasoned branding leader and executive coach, to explore how spirituality is the missing gear for unprecedented creativity and impact in the business world. Kirk argues that business, as the most influential sector in society, has a profound potential to create change, but it is stuck in a lower gear of creation. He shares how moving from a paradigm of "availability" (what already exists) to one of "creation" (what's possible) unlocks a higher level of innovation. Drawing on wisdom from Howard Thurman and Joseph Campbell, Kirk makes a compelling case that the world does not need more hustle; it needs more people who are fully alive. Throughout the conversation, Kirk shares powerful stories, including how a client at Mattel trusted her sense of aliveness to spearhead the diversification of the Barbie doll, a move that laid the groundwork for the cultural phenomenon of the Barbie movie. He and Andrew also delve into the practical neuroanatomy of creativity, explaining how shifting from fear-based "shoulds" to curiosity and aliveness activates the brain's "dispersed mode" for breakthrough ideas. This episode is an invitation to run the experiment and see what happens when you trust your inner compass, let go of outdated identities, and lead from a place of genuine aliveness. Key Takeaways Business as a Force for Change: Today’s corporations have unprecedented power to create transformation if they connect to a higher purpose. The Aliveness Compass: Spirituality, stripped of labels, simply means orienting around what brings you alive and allowing that energy to guide your work. Run the Experiment: Replace fear-based decision-making with curiosity. See what happens when you lead with trust and authenticity. The Barbie Case Study: True innovation begins when leaders align their personal purpose with their organization’s mission. Nature as a Teacher: Like redwoods letting go of lower branches to reach the light, leaders must release what no longer serves in order to grow. The Paradigm Shift: Move from scarcity (What’s available?) to creation (What’s possible?). That is where innovation truly begins. Spirituality in Action: It is not about rituals; it is a way of being that fuels creativity, purpose, and connection in every decision. In This Episode: [00:00] Opening reflections on spirituality in business [01:23] Meet Kirk Souder: from branding to coaching [04:16] The intersection of spirituality and business [06:55] Rethinking business purpose through aliveness [09:57] Howard Thurman’s wisdom and inner guidance [10:45] Running the experiment and leading with trust [12:31] The Barbie story: purpose in corporate creativity [16:31] Neuroscience of curiosity and innovation [19:34] Creating joy as a driver of change [22:39] Lessons from nature and redwoods [24:29] Rethinking identity and organizational purpose [29:03] Emergent strategy and natural systems [31:27] From scarcity to creation paradigm [34:06] Living vision and designing from feeling [35:15] The “S” word (spirituality) and “F” word (feelings) [37:39] Rediscovering purpose beyond success [40:57] The Barbie effect and the Microsoft mindset shift [44:33] Nature’s perfection in innovation and efficiency [46:01] The call to live and lead from aliveness