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What does it mean to design for real human stakes—not just usability—when your product touches people’s finances? In this episode of HR Tech Trailblazers, Clair’s Head of Design, Mark Brehaut, sits down with Armin Tabrizi, design leader at QuickBooks Workforce, to unpack what responsible product design looks like when rent, food, and financial stability are on the line. In this conversation, we cover: Why designing financial products requires the same care as building bridges The leadership myth Armin rejects: firefighting ≠ great leadership The design team principles he looks for: growth mindset, “embracing the silly,” honest communication, and more The misconception business leaders often have about design (it’s not just aesthetics) How design proves business impact: business + data acumen, stakeholder management, tech fluency What it takes to make an embedded experience feel native (and why “invisible” builds trust) Why funnel metrics are powerful: diagnosing issues, de-risking launches, and removing opinion-driven friction The metric that matters across products: time-to-value Timestamps: 00:27 – Intro 00:51 – The story behind the Iron Ring 02:26 – Leadership principles in practice 07:04 – Common misconceptions about design 10:51 – How design amplifies the business 14:30 – Making Clair feel native 18:20 – Examples and insights from funnel data 23:13 – Measuring success and time-to-value 🔗 CONNECT WITH MARK / markbrehaut 🔗 CONNECT WITH ARMIN / tabrizi-armin