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At The Second Voice, we explore the inner conversations leaders rarely say out loud. Today, Luisa's guest is Tania Plakonouris, a Relational Resilience Consultant. When relationships start to strain — at work, in teams, or in our personal lives — the easiest thing to do is walk away. But what if real resilience isn’t about holding it together, but learning how to reconnect when it feels impossible? Today we’re exploring the quiet, unseen work that keeps connection alive — even when it hurts. If this episode resonated, it is likely because the second voice is active in your leadership too. Connect and work with Tania Instagram @vermelho_consulting www.vermelho.com.au Hosted by Luisa Hogan, leadership resilience strategist and founder of Vermelho Consulting. Luisa works with founders, executives, and senior leaders who carry real responsibility and want to lead with steadiness, clarity, and self-trust under pressure. Her work focuses on nervous system regulation, leadership identity, and the inner dialogue that shapes how leaders show up when things are hard. Work With Luisa If this episode sparked reflection, here are ways to go deeper: • Leadership resilience workshops and advisory • Keynotes and curated live experiences • The Steady Leadership framework and private sessions Learn more at: vermelho.com.au A Note From Whisper & Thread The Second Voice is proudly supported by Whisper & Thread. Whisper & Thread creates intimate apparel embroidered with quiet, internal messages designed to interrupt negative self-talk. Each piece carries a reminder on the inside. Not performative. Not loud. Just for you. Because leadership self-talk does not start in the boardroom. And confidence is built in the moments no one sees. Explore Whisper & Thread at: whisperandthread.com Stay Connected Follow along and join the conversation: • Instagram: @thesecondvoicepodcast • Instagram: @vermelho_consulting • Instagram: @whisperandthread Subscribe, rate, and review The Second Voice to help more leaders find these conversations. 00:00 Introduction and Theme 00:27 Podcast and Guest Introduction 00:56 What is Tanya's role and expertise in relational resilience? 01:42 Can you tell us a little bit about your background and how you ended up doing the work that you do now? 05:02 New Beginnings and Whisper and Thread 08:17 The Power of Self-Talk and Confidence 10:00 Overcoming Challenges and Building Relationships 17:07 Coaching and Leadership Insights 21:31 What do you do to create those relationships and connect with people in a way where you're a stranger and they welcome you with open arms? 32:00 What can leaders do to stay compassionate and present when experiencing burnout, especially after portraying a mask of strength for too long? 39:13 Vulnerability and Support in Leadership 44:17 Adapting to Change and Gratitude 48:51 Conclusion and Final Thoughts