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In this thirty-ninth installment of the ongoing live series with Wendy Nash inquiring into meditation practice on and off the cushion we delve into Hiri and Ottappa. Hiri is often translated as moral shame and conscience. Ottappa as moral fear, fear of wrongdoing, moral dread, compunction, respect. Together they are the bright Guardians of the World Wendy and I welcome all to engage with progressing towards clarifying and understanding Hiri and Ottappa from various teachings and from our own lives servings as foundational support for meditation practice and well being. And, in turn, how our meditation practice helps strengthen Hiri and Ottappa. A list of further importances of Hiri and Ottappa (– although some of these we did not get too –) from our own experience (and beyond) like: the ups and downs involved, challenges, a related dream I recently had, successes, (lack of) progress, inversions / reversals, (balancing out new age) misunderstandings and dismissals, hypocrisy, taboos, contemplation, accountability, getting support, and how Hiri and Ottappa relate to the five precepts. Please chime in in the comments on what we got right and what we fell short on. Or share rectifying resources. Helping clarify our misunderstands helps us and the audience 00:00 Introduction and Setting the Scene 02:37 Exploring Hiri and Otapa 04:04 Insights on Goodness and Self-Perception 07:36 The Role of Intention and Integrity 11:43 Ethics, Meditation, and Consequences 15:07 Healthy vs. Unhealthy Guilt 16:47 The Pull of Self-Perception 22:10 Training for Ethical Behavior 25:35 The Power of Language and Cursing 27:29 Understanding Hiri and Otappa in Meditation 30:00 The Role of Humor in Self-Reflection 31:58 Navigating Anger and Hurt 35:59 The Complexity of Care and Hurt 42:44 Moral Awareness and Societal Implications 45:09 Personal Growth and Reflection 49:39 The Impact of Behavior on Self-Perception Ai summarizes this chat thus followed by takeaways: Josh Dippold and Wendy Nash explore the concepts of hiri and ottappa in meditation, discussing their significance in ethical behavior and self-perception. They delve into the complexities of goodness, intention, and the impact of shame and guilt on personal growth. The dialogue emphasizes the importance of understanding the craving for self-image and the role of mindfulness in navigating emotions like anger and hurt. Through personal anecdotes and insights, they highlight the need for education and awareness in fostering a compassionate society. Takeaways: Hiri and Ottappa are essential for ethical meditation practice. Being good is not solely defined by behaviors. The craving to see oneself as good can lead to inner conflict. Intention drives actions, but hiri reflects moral conscience. Shame and guilt can be both constructive and destructive. Training behaviors is crucial for ethical living. Anger often stems from feeling hurt and unsafe. Humor can provide perspective in difficult situations. Education is vital for fostering compassion in society. Meditation helps in processing emotions and reducing regrets. Some references / resource links: https://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/a... https://www.abhayagiri.org/reflection... https://www.suttas.com/hiri-and-ottap... https://classicaltheravada.org/t/shar... https://overcast.fm/+AAuqpFXgMxQ https://tricycle.org/magazine/hiri-ot... Original blog post: https://integratingpresence.com/2026/...