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What if your founding values are holding you back? What if legacy teams can’t build the future? And what if every time you try to change, people beat you with the “righteousness stick?” Mark Surman, President of Mozilla, shares the messy reality of transforming a 25-year-old organization for the AI era. He’s replaced 60% of staff, launched entirely new ventures like Mozilla.ai and Mozilla Ventures, and spent years wrestling with whether Mozilla’s open-source and privacy roots still serve today’s mission. We dig into how legacy values collide with innovation, why separate structures are often the only path forward, and what it takes to lead change across different time horizons. Mark’s insights into resisting the urge to force transformation — and embracing honest dialogue — are a must-hear for change leaders working within established institutions. 🎯 KEY TOPICS: 00:00 Introduction 02:18 Letting go of legacy to make room for the future 05:45 Rethinking Mozilla’s core values 08:22 Why separate ventures enable real transformation 12:15 The “righteousness stick” and moral resistance 16:08 Replacing 60% of staff — why and how 19:40 Leading across multiple timescales 24:05 Building credibility through clear, repeated communication 27:50 Recognizing when legacy teams can’t build what’s next 31:12 The fear of failure — and doing it anyway 💡 ABOUT MARK SURMAN: Mark Surman is President of Mozilla and a leading voice on building trustworthy AI and open-source innovation. He led the creation of Mozilla.ai and Mozilla Ventures, and has spent over two decades shaping technology that serves the public good. 👉 RESOURCES: Mark on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/msurman Mozilla: mozilla.org Subscribe to the Change Signal newsletter: thechangesignal.com 🔔 Subscribe for more insights on change that actually works: @ChangeSignal #ChangeSignal #OrganizationalChange #MarkSurman #Mozilla #Leadership #AI #Innovation #LegacyTransformation #ChangeManagement