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While you’re crafting bold strategies and long-term plans … you might be slowing change instead of accelerating it. What? Yes. In this episode of Change Signal, I talk with Charles Conn — investor, conservationist, and co-author of The Imperfect Leader — about why the future of leadership is less about prediction and more about experimentation. Instead of waiting for perfect clarity, Charles shows us how to move forward through curiosity — making small, reversible bets that compound into big progress. In this lively conversation, you’ll discover: Why “imperfectionism” beats master plans How to turn strategy into small, testable actions Why you should push more decisions to the edges What Jeff Bezos got right about experimentation How small, trusting pods outlearn big hierarchies Why storytelling — yes, storytelling — is still a strategic tool And how you can “do it in a prison” 🎯 KEY TOPICS: 00:00 Introduction 03:10 Why grand strategies stall progress 06:45 Imperfectionism and curiosity-led action 11:30 Two-way-door decisions and small experiments 17:20 Trusting teams at the edges 21:40 Pods, permeability, and culture 26:00 The strategic power of storytelling 30:15 Final reflections 💡 ABOUT CHARLES CONN: Charles Conn is an investor, conservationist, and co-author of The Imperfect Leader: A Human Manifesto for Change. He’s known for his work bridging strategy, experimentation, and environmental leadership, drawing on years at McKinsey, Oxford, and Patagonia. 👉 RESOURCES: Charles’s book The Imperfect Leader: https://geni.us/theimperfectleader More from Charles: https://www.charlesconn.com Connect on LinkedIn: / charlesconn Subscribe to the Change Signal newsletter: https://thechangesignal.com 🔔 Subscribe for practical, research-backed insights on change that actually work: @ChangeSignal Tags: #ChangeManagement, #LeadershipDevelopment, #CharlesConn, #Strategy, #Transformation, #OrganizationalChange, #ChangeSignal, #CultureChange, #InnovationLeadership, #Experimentation, #ChangeLeadership