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Part 1 here: https://youtube.com/live/dsyXncW2cPk Welcome to The Framework. I am your host and heresy hunter, Jake Elliot. As part of a three-part series focusing on Casey City Church, we delve deeply into the experiences of those affected by the troubling practices within this organisation. In this exclusive interview, a former elder and long-time member of the church, Karen Alsop, shares her experiences at Casey City Church. Setting the Stage On June 26, 2024, I had the opportunity to sit down with Karen Alsop, an elder for life according to the church's constitution, to discuss her journey and experiences with Larry Sebastian and Casey City Church. This episode seeks to unpack the manipulation, control, and consistent behavior of Larry that led to profound emotional and psychological impacts on the congregation. Walking Through the Past Karen joined Casey City Church in the mid-2000s with a vision to run a camping ministry called Royal Rangers. Initially, her enthusiasm and drive melded perfectly with Larry's grand vision for the church. However, the seemingly ideal partnership soon revealed cracks as missions for grandeur took centre stage over genuine pastoral care. In 2009, fuelled by ambitious visions and prophecies, the church set its sights on acquiring a major property, thrusting the congregation into a challenging financial commitment. Karen recounts how she felt responsible for initiating this path — a journey she later recognised was manipulated by Larry's interpretations of prophecies and visions. A Shattering Realization The true gravity of Larry's manipulative behavior began to surface around 2010-2012. Karen faced significant emotional manipulation and control, particularly during her pregnancy, when Larry expressed overt disappointment in her capacity to serve the church. The constant state of giving eventually took its toll, both on Karen's mental health and on her unwavering belief in the church’s mission. Over the years, Karen witnessed families and individuals being systematically controlled and pitted against each other. The duration and depth of Larry's coercion and spiritual abuse led to strained relationships, mental health crises, and even divorces, leaving many unable to reconcile their faith with their debilitating experiences. 00:00 Welcome to The Framework 01:15 Interview with Karen Alsop Begins 02:03 Karen's Journey with Casey City Church 03:40 The Vision and the Property 07:35 Challenges and Realizations 11:56 Larry's Behavior and Its Impact 23:50 Advocacy and Standing Up 28:42 Experiences with MFI and Johnny Scroggins 31:38 Gathering After Leaving the Church 31:43 Being Labeled as Judas 32:49 The Stigma of Speaking Up 34:03 Gossip Among Church Leaders 39:26 Attempts at Reconciliation 46:41 Advocating for Victims 48:56 Personal Impact and Coping 53:02 Needed Changes in the Church 54:37 Success Stories and Final Thoughts Churchwatch Website timeline and repository on Larry Sebastian: https://churchwatchcentral.com/2024/0... Social Media Website: theframework.studio Instagram: / the_framew0rk Facebook: / theframew0rk Fighting for the Faith Radio Program: http://fightingforthefaith.com Social Media Facebook: / piratechristian Twitter: / piratechristian Instagram: / piratechristian CHRISTIAN RESOURCES: Messed Up Church: / @StevenKozarMessedUpChurch Fighting For The Faith: / @Fighting4theFaith Ligonier Ministries: / @ligonier Justin Peters: / @JustinPetersMin Richard Moore: / @richardm23 Dawn Hill: / @dawnhill1613 Mike Winger: / @MikeWinger Apologia Studios: / @ApologiaStudios Alpha And Omega Ministries: / @AominOrg Canon Press: / @CanonPress Conversations That Matter: / @ConversationsThatMatterpodcast Right Response Ministries: / @RightResponseMinistries Founders Ministries: / @FoundersMinistries G3 Ministries: / @G3Ministries Joyful Exile: / @joyfulexile CHURCH NETWORKS: G3 Church Network: https://g3min.org/g3-church-network/map/ Founders Church Network: https://church.founders.org/churches/