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Stephen Batchelor has spent decades stripping Buddhism of its dogma to find what wisdom it can offer the modern world. Could cities and countries run on karma instead of capital? In this episode, he sketches a vision of society grounded in awareness, compassion, and radical interdependence — a politics of presence rather than power. Stripped of its cosmologies, he argues, a secular Buddhism could light the way toward an ethical response to a world on fire. Listen or watch wherever you get your podcasts: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast... Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2I38HvH... Follow Futurology on Social: Instagram: / futurologypod Twitter/X: https://x.com/FuturologyPod Bsky: https://bsky.app/profile/futurologypo... Follow The Berggruen Institute on Social: Instagram: / berggrueninst Twitter/X: / berggrueninst Facebook: / berggrueninst LinkedIn: / berggrueninst 00:00 The Shift from Western to Eastern Ethics 02:07 Stephen Batchelor's Journey into Secular Buddhism 09:29 Exploring the Three Major Traditions of Buddhism 13:52 The Distinction Between Ultimate and Relative Truth 19:42 Understanding Suffering in Buddhism 25:14 The Nature of Consciousness and Its Implications 39:00 Zen Buddhism: Questioning Without Answers 48:30 The Emergence of Secular Buddhism 53:42 Key Features of Secular Buddhism 01:10:12 Cultivating a Culture of Awakening