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Can 'effective accelerationists' and AI 'doomers' agree on a common philosophy of technology? Common sense says no. But programmer and Ethereum cofounder Vitalik Buterin showed otherwise with his essay “My techno-optimism,” which both camps agreed was basically reasonable. (Check it out at https://vitalik.eth.limo/general/2023...) Seeing his social circle divided and fighting, Vitalik hoped to write a careful synthesis of the best ideas from both the optimists and the apprehensive. Accelerationists are right: most technologies leave us better off, the human cost of delaying further advances can be dreadful, and centralising control in government hands often ends disastrously. But the fearful are also right: some technologies are important exceptions, AGI has an unusually high chance of being one of those, and there are options to advance AI in safer directions. The upshot? Defensive acceleration: humanity should run boldly but also intelligently into the future -- speeding up technology to get its benefits, but preferentially developing 'defensive' technologies that lower systemic risks, permit safe decentralisation of power, and help both individuals and countries defend themselves against aggression and domination. Learn more and find the full transcript on the 80,000 Hours website: https://80000hours.org/podcast/episod... In this episode: • Cold open (00:00:00) • Rob's intro (00:00:54) • Three different views on technology (00:02:37) • Vitalik’s updated probability of doom (00:06:25) • Technology is amazing, and AI is fundamentally different from other tech (00:12:58) • Fear of totalitarianism and finding middle ground (00:19:48) • Should AI be more centralised or decentralised? (00:39:37) • Humans merging with AIs to remain relevant (01:04:24) • Vitalik’s “d/acc” alternative (01:16:16) • Biodefence (01:21:33) • Pushback on Vitalik’s vision (01:34:38) • How much do people actually disagree? (01:39:45) • Cybersecurity (01:45:02) • Information defence (01:59:25) • Is AI more offence-dominant or defence-dominant? (02:18:42) • How Vitalik communicates among different camps (02:23:33) • Blockchain applications with social impact (02:32:25) • In-person effective altruism vs online effective altruism (02:47:59) • Rob's outro (02:59:01) ---- The 80,000 Hours Podcast features unusually in-depth conversations about the world’s most pressing problems and what you can do to solve them.