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In this episode of Leading Complexity, Tomas Björkholm sits down with Dr. Jeff Sutherland – co-founder of Scrum, co-author of the Agile Manifesto, creator of Scrum@Scale, and author of Scrum: The Art of Doing Twice the Work in Half the Time. Jeff shares his thoughts on: Why much of today’s Agile is still “bad Agile” – and why it might even be getting worse. How AI is transforming the way teams work, and why pairing with AI is becoming a must for survival in the job market. The role of Scrum Masters and Product Owners in a future where humans and AI collaborate. Why Scrum@Scale outperforms other scaling frameworks, with real-world examples from companies like John Deere and Rocket Mortgage. His vision of Agile in the age of AI, including evolving practices, minimum bureaucracy, and the need for constant learning. This is not just a conversation about frameworks – it’s about the future of work, complexity, and how to thrive when technology changes faster than ever.