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In this episode, Jo and Rose sit down with one of the UK’s leading mental-health voices: writer, broadcaster and LBC host Natasha Devon MBE - for a conversation that goes far deeper than your average “wellbeing chat.” Natasha talks candidly about 15+ years working with teenagers, how smartphone culture and algorithm-driven misogyny are shaping boys and girls in radically different ways, and why the pandemic’s impact on mental health is still being ignored. She unpacks the new wave of online extremism, from Andrew Tate to Bonnie Blue, and explains how boys are being groomed into coercive control while girls are pushed towards self-harm and self-loathing. We dive into porn, body image, school pressures, section 28 hangovers, and why talking openly about pleasure — not just risks — is essential if we want the next generation to have healthy sexual relationships. Natasha also shares her own journey as a bisexual woman, navigating identity, coming out later in life, and using her platform to fight for LGBTQ+ and trans rights in an increasingly hostile political climate. It’s sharp, funny, political, nuanced and properly human — exactly the conversation parents, teachers and young people need right now.