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President Trump’s recent meeting with his Chinese counterpart, Xi Jinping, led to a de-escalation of the tense trade war between the superpowers. But what could this truce mean for the United States in the long term, especially as China continues to demonstrate dominance? In this episode, the Opinion editor Ariel Kaminer speaks with Oren Cass, the founder and chief economist of the conservative think tank American Compass, and Jason Furman, an economist at Harvard and a former chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers, about the possible ways to engage with Beijing and the merits of blowing up a world built on free trade. Thoughts? Email us at [email protected]. Read the full transcript here: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/05/op... Follow us: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast... Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/581OhiI... TikTok: / nytopinion Publish Schedule: Mondays, Wednesdays and Saturdays The Opinions podcast: "You've heard the news, here's what to make of it."