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One relationship can quietly make—or break—everything. As churches head into 2026, many Executive Pastors aren’t struggling with vision, strategy, or momentum. They’re wrestling with something more fragile—and more powerful: trust. According to the 2025 National Executive Pastor Survey, just over 1 in 5 Executive Pastors report feeling uncertain or strained in their relationship with their Lead Pastor. That’s not a crisis headline—but it is a warning light. Because when trust erodes between the first chair and the second chair, it eventually shows up everywhere. In this episode of the unSeminary Podcast, Rich sits down with Jeremy Peterson, Executive Pastor at One Church, to unpack what builds trust, what breaks it, and how Executive Pastors can lead forward with clarity and confidence in the most critical leadership relationship in the church. This is a practical, honest conversation about consistency, truthfulness, communication rhythms, and spiritual disciplines that actually strengthen trust over time. ⏱ Episode Timecodes 0:00 – Why trust is becoming a defining leadership issue for 2026 2:20 – The survey stat that should get every XP’s attention 4:30 – Why Lead Pastor–Executive Pastor tension happens 8:00 – Early warning signs that trust is eroding 11:30 – Consistency, truth, and reliability as trust builders 15:45 – Why withholding information quietly damages trust 18:30 – Weekly rhythms that keep leaders aligned 22:15 – The power of quick five-minute conversations 26:00 – Avoiding surprises and preventing relational drift 30:00 – Why you don’t need to be best friends to build trust 34:30 – Over-promising, under-delivering, and the speed of trust 39:15 – How trust between senior leaders affects the entire staff 44:30 – A simple daily practice that strengthens trust over time 49:00 – Developing younger leaders in a culture of trust 55:30 – What Jeremy is watching as 2026 approaches In this episode, you’ll learn: Why trust between Lead Pastor and Executive Pastor is so fragile—and so powerful The small behaviors that quietly erode trust over time How clarity and consistency build credibility with senior leaders Why quick, informal conversations prevent long-term damage How spiritual disciplines like daily prayer reshape leadership posture What it looks like to lead younger staff with trust instead of control Why trust accelerates decision-making and momentum across the church If you’re an Executive Pastor navigating tension, uncertainty, or “something just feels off” in your leadership relationships, this episode will help you name the issue—and take practical steps toward trust. 👉 Want the full data behind this conversation? Download the complete 2025 National Executive Pastor Survey Report at: XPSurvey.com Strong churches are built on strong relationships. This conversation will help you invest wisely in the one that matters most.